This will be a practice getting into the voice and into the head of other characters
Try to be about 1/3-1/2 way through the novel before finishing your posts this week. You may even argue against your own self/using other characters or other novels.
Choose one or more of the following to argue:
*Argue which character is the leader from the perspective of 2 minor characters--post as such and message me the character you are (for example, Lori's dr#5 or epsilon.3)
*As a lesser character, what are the flaws (tragic/hamartia) of your leaders? How does this impact you as a minor character?
*Is this making your experience a tragedy? Compare your life to the other minor characters in Oedipus. Whose experience is worse? Whose is better?
*Is this making your experience a tragedy? Compare your life to the other minor characters in Oedipus. Whose experience is worse? Whose is better?
Please take into considering metaphoric, critical, and.or gender roles in your response (or you may have other ideas).
For full credit, you MUST have quotations in support of your main point and main post. You MUST show reading and avoid online summary info, you MUST respond to a minimum of 2 posts from other students (3 posts total). Points will be deducted for those students who wait until the last 12-24 hours, for spelling problems, repeating information already stated, confusing responses, attacking classmates verbally, simply agreeing without saying much of anything, or off-topic commentary.
------Having support from databases may be given additional credit if used well----
DATABASES may be used for this blog. Shortly they will be required in class, so why not start looking up some information about Oedipus, your recent book, or some of the other recent authors we have covered?
**This blog will end at 9 a.m. on 10/19. Remember that starting on the last 12-24 hours prior will result in loss of points since your discussion will be limited.
Do try to go beyond the minimum--show reading, and ARGUE. That is the most important aspect. Merely agreeing or disagreeing adds little to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteJust try to argue as that character would! Blogs that start to post on Thursday (24 hours prior to Friday) will be marked 5/10 at most--just like the prior blog.
Also, try to impress me, and to improve on each blog. Show READING!
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Grading:
10=went above and beyond the prompt, showed solid reading
8.5-9=2-3 solid blog posts, could show more reading. One of good length minimum. May have errors
7-8=may be missing a post or have a weak argument or low support for either
6=posted but may have missed more than 1 post or very short, unsupported entries
5=in but late (in the last 12-24 hours where posting started)
3=did try
0=no post
Finally---if you are arguing, type @ in front of the person you are talking to--that will make it easier to follow and find arguments to defend or to attack.
ReplyDeleteMessage or email me your character names so that I can keep track and please read prior posts. Some of you lost points for not reading the novel well and/or not reading comments posted by prior bloggers. The longer you wait, the harder it is to do a good job!
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ReplyDeleteLori’s Doctor#1: My patient, Lori Schiller, has one of the greatest leadership qualities: being able to admit when she’s wrong and fix her mistakes and attitude to make the situation better. For example, whens she first came to this mental hospital, her attitude about the whole experience was negative, making it a recipe for failure before anything even began, “But even though I was starving, I refused to eat. Instead, I went straight to my room. I didn’t want to see anyone. I didn’t want to talk to anyone. I was tense and upset and on the edge of tears” (Schiller, 1994, pg 189). Lori’s leadership quality of adaptability to change is shown when she states, “I would have to begin to acknowledge that I had an illness. I would have to begin to learn to control my illness on my own. No more in-and-out. No more revolving door” (Schiller, 1994, pg 190). Lori’s leadership quality isn’t without flaw, however. Her timing is terrible, it would’ve been easier for Lori if she could’ve developed this skill and and fixed her mistake of being delusional about herself a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteNancy Schiller (Lori’s mom): My husband Marvin is my leader and my hero. He has the patience of a leader that I wish I had. When we go to visit Lori in the mental hospital, I can’t stand to look at Lori because I think she refuses to get better and I don’t want to wait for her, so I run away to the smoking room while Marvin stays and talks with her. He tells her when she has a bad day, “Well, that was yesterday. Today you’re fine. And tomorrow you will be too. And if not tomorrow, then the next day” (Schiller, 1994, pg 209). Marvin has his flaws as well. He won’t stay as long as I’d like at the hospital to visit with Lori. Our visits last anywhere from a half an hour to an hour max.
Lori’s Doctor #1: I relate to Tiresias very much, and I see Lori as Oedipus sometimes. I feel like I have all the wisdom and truth and try to help Lori by talking to her and prescribing her medications, much like Tiresias is telling Oedipus the truth and what reality has in store, yet Lori won’t believe me because she think she’s smarter than me, much like Oedipus thinks he’s smarter than Tiresias.
LorisDrugDealer: I am not so sure that Lori is a reader at all. She really likes drugs, both medicinal and illegal, so if she keeps making mistakes, how can you look up to her? It's good for me since I get the cash--and sometimes a bit extra ...if you know what I mean!
DeleteLori’s Doctor #1: It’s not the fact that she did illegal drugs that matters to me, it’s the fact that she chose to quit those drugs and chose a healthy lifestyle in order to try to better her life. You proved my point more. She recognized her mistake of illegal drugs, corrected her action, and bettered her life. This shows an incredible leadership quality, that’s why I look up to her.
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DeleteKay: @Lori's Doctor #1, I agree that if you are wise that you are a lot like Tiresias. Tiresias is clearly wise because Oedipus says, "Teiresias, you are versed in everthing, things teachable and things not to be spoken." (Sophocles, trans. 1942) Also, you are similar to Tiresias because Oedipus originally goes to him for help in curing the land, like Lori comes to you for help as her doctor.
DeleteLori#7: Dr Doller: I do agree with you that her timing was terrible, but as Doctor I will tell y, we don't get to choose when these diseases affect us. It would have been impossible for Lori to have gotten herself in check to get through college in that short amount of time. Diseases such as schizophrenia usually do not hit until the teens, to late teens or early twenties. "Still, her history looked quite similar to those of other patients on our unit: The normal childhood , followed by a break in her teens" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 232). Almost all cases start in their teens and progress as their lives do.
DeleteLori#7: This comment^^^^ is @ Lori's Doctor #1
DeleteKay: @Lori's Doctor #1, it is me again. The correct APA citation for the quote I used in my previous response is actaully (Sophocles, trans. 1942, p.22).
DeleteLori #10 (Lori's mom Nancy): @ Lori's doctor #1- My daughter was into some bad things for awhile, but it was just a coping method for what she was going to. I'm not trying to say she was right for her choices, but I think she showed some great leadership skills such as being able to take charge of her life and get out of the drugs. She went through some dark times and she knows that what she did was not right, but she quit taking the drugs to better herself. Thank you for sticking with her through this time and helping my daughter it means a lot to my family.
DeleteRemember poetry (old plays) are cited by line number--no author is needed in this case. Just line number/s and year of translation for Oedipus.
DeleteBuddy: I am pretty much a stranger to you all, but doctor you say that Lori is a leader even though she is no where near mentally stable and she can't control herself and she is making irrational decisions, I don't think she is a leader at all. I do agree that she has leadership qualities, from what you said, but I do not want someone who can't think correctly and make rational decisions as my leader. I'm not saying that she will never be one, because she definitely could be a wonderful leader. I just don't think she is stable enough to be a leader quite yet.
DeleteAnn: Joe Keller is the most kind man. Some may say that because of my fathers standing with him I should not believe he is a leader at all. My father was the one in the wrong though. Keller is a leader, he even offered my father, who is in jail a job after he gets out. I do not believe my father deserves a job at all. Joe says, “..., Annie...while he’s sitting there I want him to know that when he gets out he’s got a place waitin’ for him. It’ll take his bitterness away. To know you got a place...it sweetens you” (Miller, 1947, p.49). I’m not so sure that my father could ever change knowin’ him, but I trust Joe Keller. He has earned my respect, he cares about me. I know Joe won’t have crazy ideas go through his head like his wife. He supports my standin’ on Larry. Joe Keller is respectful to me and that gained my respect to him. He knows how to lead someone, unlike my father. If I respect someone more than my own father, he must be doin’ somethin’ right.
ReplyDeleteFrank: Hya, I’m Frank! I live right next to Joe Keller and his family. He’s one kind man. I always respected him. We fight with each other sometimes, but it’s only play. I’m even trying to get his son’s horoscope for him to see if he’s alive. I told him, “ See, the point is, if November 25th was his favorable day, then it’s completely possible he’s alive somewhere…” (Miller, 1947, p. 8). I usually wouldn’t do this for random people. I think Joe deserves to know if his son is alive or not. We all hang out with him in his backyard most Sundays, he’s the leading man of his company and his neighborhood. We play poker with him even! I think he’s a good man people come to him for things and advice. He even plays with Bert! Joe Keller is a nice leader he practically runs the neighborhood, despite his other responsibilities.
DadzinJail: I don't appreciate being locked up for what Joe failed to do. He just called in sick and then lied about it. My boy George is going to rip you all a new one when he gets there!
DeleteMy dad is a real leader. His name is Steve--in case you forgot, you lying dog.
@DadzinJail:Ann: George failed to find any proof that Joe Keller did anything wrong! I resent you father, no wonder I haven't visited you in jail. I will not go with George! I will only leave if Chris tells me to. I plan on creating my life with the Keller family. Joe Keller has been nothing but kind to me!
DeleteDadzinJail:; Just wait until mom gets ahold of that letter you are hiding--George would have loved to use it for evidence, but you hid is--all these years too! Thanks for spoilers on the blog though.
DeleteNancy Schiller (Lori's mom) @ Ann: I think Joe Keller and Lori's doctor, doctor Doller, are very similar in regards to leadership qualities. You said Joe, who your father doesn't like, offered your father a place to live even though your father talks very poorly about him. Likewise, Dr. Doller helps my daughter Lori with her therapy even though the Voices are always telling Lori to kill Dr. Doller and not trust her. What amazing leaders they are for helping people that are against them! Only a leader of true strength and confidence can carry such a burden.
ReplyDeleteLori#7: Dr. Fischer @ Ann: I agree with you on the matter that Dr. Doller and Joe Keller are similar. I also feel that I too am similar to Joe Keller and Dr. Doller, because I go through the same things Dr. Doller does with Lori. Lori has mixed feelings for me. One day she wants to strange me and the next she is in love with me, but no matter what her feelings, I want to be there for her and offer her someone safe to share her feelings with. "The strange feelings I was having for Dr. Fischer frightened and revolted me. I had been locked up inside my own crazy world for so long. I didn't know what it felt like to come out. All my feelings of affection and closeness blew up to gigantic proportions. From hating to fearing her, I grew to think I was in love with her" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 213). This shows that Lori was having emotion for me, good and bad, (as bad as wanting to strangle me) and I was still there for her.
DeleteAnn @ Nancy Schiller and Dr. Fischer: The leadership quality of compassion even though someone may not always like you seems to be evident in both of our worlds! This must mean that these leaders are doing something right.
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ReplyDeleteJordan Baker#1. Nick is a great leader, some people would not agree with me but he is very honest. The other day I was driving him around and he told me I was not a good driver. He said " You are a rotten driver. Either you ought to be more careful or you oughtn't to drive at all" (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg. 58) He is also trustworthy as I like to gossip I can trust him to keep a secret. I told him what Gatsby told me the party and asked him the favor that Gatsby had me ask him. Although he is doing a good thing for Gatsby he should see both sides of this and think twice about it since Daisy is married. He also rode along with Tom without telling him that he should maybe not have a mistress.
ReplyDeleteMyrtle: Tom is such a good leader, I love him. He is so caring and sweet, OH he even bought me a dog. " Here's your money. Go and buy ten more dogs with it" (Fitzgerald 1925, pg.28) He bought me a dog and ten others. I love when we go to our apartment and get to hang out alone. I do not know why we divorce our spouses and marry each other. He is a leader, he is caring and he is loving. Although he can be nice and shows compassion most of the time he can be a jerk. When we were showing Nick our place he broke my nose. He doesn't like when I say Daisy but that doesn't mean he has to hit me. " Daisy! Daisy! Daisy!, I'll say it whenever I want to! Daisy, Dai---. Making a short deft movement, Tom Buchanan broke her nose." (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg. 36)
Nick #99: Myrtle I’m not 100% positive which side you are on but if you think Tom is good leader you are dead wrong. For example you said he hit Mrs. Wilson and broke her nose (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg 37). Any man who hits a woman is not a leader at all. I know of many people who wouldn’t follow a leader who beats women including me because abuse is dead wrong and strips him of any leadership. Not to mention it shows no empathy or self awareness which are huge qualities for good leaders.
DeleteDaisy #1: I am going to also disagree with you on this one. Tom shows qualities that are the complete opposite of a leader. Tom is very disrespectful and arrogant. He believes he is superior to everyone else. When Tom buys the dog from the man on the streets he says, "Here's your money. Go buy ten more dogs with it." (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg.28). He could have just said thank you to the man for the dog rather than acting like he is superior and more important than him.
DeleteMiss Baker #15 - @Myrtle Um, not to mention Tom is cheating on his wife! Adultery is so incredibly wrong, no good leader would ever do something like that. He is also very rude, and this shows when Tom and Nick are travelling around New York and Tom says, "We're getting off, I want you to meet my girl." (Fitzgerald, 1925, p. 24). He could've asked kindly if Nick wanted to be introduced to Tom's mistress, but no, Tom had to speak for Nick and make him go with.
DeleteDadzinJail: Not to butt into this book or anything since I am reading the play, but Nick is heroic to Jordan since they are obviously sleeping together. I'll just bet he is sweet to you Jordan (nice golf swing by the way), but can you clearly say someone is a leader because you two are having sex? Nick seems to be a real watcher and does nothing to stop the abuse he sees. Why did he do nothing when he watched Tom hit Myrtle?
DeleteYeah, real cool Nick. Try being a man instead of just standing around!
Bert (8 years old): Mr.Joe Keller made me the head officer of the neighborhood and I had to keep watch for Mr.Keller. He said that he had a jail in his basement, butttttt I'm not so sure that I believe him. The other day I even reported Tommy for saying a bad word,"... Tommy said another dirty word to Doris yesterday..."(Miller, 1947, pg.13). Mr.Keller is an awesome leader! I think he's the best detective ever! He actually talks to me, unlike my other neighbors.
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ReplyDeleteAnn#2: Chris is a great leader. He was in the war as a captain and all of the men that he was in charge of respected him greatly. Chris even said, "Its all mixed up with so many other things....you remember, overseas, I was in command of a company?"(Miller, 1947, p.35). His men were even willing to risk their lives for him. Even though Chris feels guilty that he's still alive, that just shows that he was a great leader. If he wasn't a great leader, then he wouldn't be alive. He realized the love a man can have for another man. In my opinion, this proves that Chris can lead the way.
ReplyDeleteLinda #1: Oh how I miss the civilized lands! Living with the savages has just been the worst thing to ever happen to me! The supposed “leaders” of these savages are just terrible! “It’s like living with lunatics. Everything they do is mad!” (Huxley, 2006, p121). Not like Ford, oh how i miss civilization! That Director Thomas though, he LEFT me here. “He must have flown away, back to the Other Place, away without her - a bad, unkind, unnatural man.” (Huxley, 2006, p 118). The Director is not the leader that everyone thinks him to be, because of him I have suffered with these savages for YEARS! There are so many other Alphas that are excellent leaders and I would gladly follow them. Since they are controlled, intelligent, decisive, and best of all wouldn’t abandon me in my prime! But these people that the savages call leaders are horrible and abusive creatures with no sense of propriety, or hygiene
ReplyDeleteDelta #1: As A Delta I respect the Alphas, Betas, and Gammas. The Epsilons are too stupid to even read or write so I am clearly far superior to them. The Alpha’s are incredibly smart and just the best leader’s I would do anything for an Alpha. The Alphas don’t have any flaws, they are the perfect leader’s and make sure that there are always enough workers doing the right thing. The perfect from the Alpha’s really helps my life, I can go day to day without having to worry about decisions being made because I know Alpha’s will make the right choices. The Alpha’s are so decisive and in control that they can make even Epsilon’s seem useful. I can’t imagine Alpha’s ever making a wrong decisions because they just know more than I do.
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DeleteEpsilon-Minus- You are wrong about alphas being leaders because I know a guy named Bernard and he said,"Not quite. I'm thinking of a queer feeling I sometime get, a feeling that I've got something important to say and the power to say it-only I don't know what it is and I can't make any use of the power."(Huxley, 2006, pg.69). As an alpha you should be perfect and not question yourself but, Bernard did.
DeleteEpsilon 1: @Delta #1: I do not believe that your comment about Alpha's not having any flaws is wrong. The Alpha's fail to take advice from other people and only do what they want. They also do not always do all the work like in the book, "... After all, every one works for every one else. We can't do without any one, Even Epsilons..." So now knowing that everyone in the caste system does work for each other do you still think they are as good as leaders? What else do we not know that they are not doing? So I would have to disagree and say the Alphas do have many flaws.
DeleteDelta #1: Bernard is an anomaly among Alphas. “They say somebody made a mistake when he was still in the bottle - thought he was a gamma and put alcohol into his blood-surrogate.” (Huxley, 2006, pg.46). Therefore, you can’t say Alphas are not leaders based on someone who had a faulty time in the tube.
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DeleteDelta #1: @Epsilon 1: Alphas do work for everyone else as well though. Alphas take the complicated workload so that others can focus on working and not making complicated decisions. The Alphas keep information from us because we couldn’t understand their work anything and it would stop us from focusing. Besides, Epsilons do not want to rule and “I suppose Epsilons don’t really mind being Epsilons” (Huxley, 2006, pg.74). Epsilons are not properly conditioned to handle the mental stress or form the thoughts needed to do an Alphas job. Alphas do a far better job than anyone else could even come close to at the tasks they perform.
DeleteNick#99: Hi I am Nick Carraway I’m neighbors to a wealthy leader named Jay Gatsby. Jay overall is a good leader but every leader has their flaw. Jays flaw is that he is not very upfront and open about who he is. By not being upfront and open about who he is it is hard to trust him right away. For example we were at a party of his and this is a conversation I was having “This is an unusual party for me. I haven’t even seen the host… and this man Gatsby sent over his chauffeur with an invitation“ (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg 47). “I’m Gatsby, he said suddenly” (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg 48). I was talking to Gatsby the whole time I had no idea. It kind of took me off guard and makes me think about why he didn’t introduce himself. If he wanted to be a ghost and me not even know who he is. This makes makes me not trust him right away because he caught me off guard and wasn’t very open about who he is.
ReplyDeleteJordan Baker #1: I would have to disagree with you on the fact that you shouldn't trust him because Jay apologized to you Nick" I thought you knew, old sport. I'm afraid I'm not a very good host" (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg. 48). You can't expect him to say hello to each and every guest can you. Although he is your neighbor and hasn't come and introduced himself you are at fault also, you could have went and introduced yourself to him, then you wouldn't be in this situation. Other than that I would agree and say he is a good leader. He is constantly throwing big parties with thousands of people.
DeleteLori’s Doctor #1: @Nick#99 I totally agree with you. Jay isn’t a good leader because he doesn’t inform his guests about any information he knows, and most of them have never seen Gatsby. A leader that wants their followers to follow blindly obviously have something to hide. It’s basic psychology. Like in modern times, a lot of people voted for Trump blindly without even knowing his policies just because he was rich and popular. I worry about Lori in today’s society potentially not having the meds that help her illness because of people following leaders blindly.
DeleteNick #2.01: Nick #99 I am going to have to disagree with myself on this. When you say that Jay is not upfront and open about who he is, he could be thinking the same thing about you. When you were talking to Jay not knowing who he was (Fitzgerald, 1925 pg 47, 48) it shows me that he is not trying to boast about himself. With a party of that size, you can’t expect one guy to talk and know everybody. But since he is inviting that many people to his house it shows that he is well respected to have that many people show up. It also shows that he is welcoming of people and they see him as a leader.
DeleteEpsilon-Minus- One of my leaders is he Director, because he was the one in charge of making me who I am. A fatal flaw of the Director thought is that he lost some of his self control at one point. The Director was telling a story from his past and the book states, “Furious with himself for having given away a discreditable secret, he vented his rage on Bernard.”(Huxley, 2006, pg. 97). This affects me personally because if my leader can lash out at someone higher up socially than me what’s going to stop him from doing even worse harm to me.
ReplyDeleteEpsilon 1: Hello fellow Epsilon I believe the Director has many more flaws than just this one, he threatens to send Bernard of to Iceland like what kind of leader just throws one of his people into another country, also he shows time where he is very jealous, he is jealous about Bernard and Lenina because it reminds him of time he had with Linda. Did you hear what Director said to Bernard? If not here, "If ever I hear again of any lapse from a proper stand of infantile decorum, I shall ask for your transference to a Sub-Centre-preferably to Iceland. Good morning."Now if he sends Bernard away I am going to be very scared because what could he do to us if we did something bad?
DeleteKay: @Epsilon-Minus- Because you said that the Director loses self control and lashes out, he reminded me of Oedipus. Oedipus definitely loses his self control and lashes out in anger at Teiresias. When Teiresias would not use his prophetic gift to help, Oedipus lost his temper with Teiresias. Oedious said, "Indeed I am so angry I will not hold back a jot of what I think." (Sophocles, trans. 1942, p. 25) A good leader should control himself enough to not say anything bad even when he is angry, unlike Oedipus and the Director.
DeleteStudent #2: This is h=why I hate Epsilons, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Director is under a ton of stress. He is in charge of making most of you low class scum. You should have respect for him. He has spent year researching the different processes that were make to make you. He is in charge of the entire London Nursery. That took him years to get to that position. If some one is acting out of line, it is his duty to remove them. He is trying to make our world better, and if people are acting out of line then we can't reach max efficiency.
DeleteEpsilon #79: @Epsilon-Minus The Director is a great leader. He inspires others and works extremely hard. You should feel lucky to be an Epsilon like me, those above us, like the Director, have so much more work to do, and Ford knows how difficult and stressed they must be. Us lowly Epsilons have it easy and should be happy.
DeleteEpsilon #79: @Epsilon1 You don’t have any idea how hard the Director works. True, he may have some flaws (such as lashing out every now and then), but he is a wonderful leader and he knows what is best. We must trust that he is making the right decisions, even though he’s under so much stress. We are lucky to be Epsilons and not have to worry about the pressure that higher-ups like the Director must deal with.
DeleteLori#7: Hi there, I'm Nancy Schiller. I'm a mother of 3 and married to my wonderful husband Marvin. Of those three children, I am especially proud of one, Lori. Lori is one of these most hardworking and dedicated people I have ever met. "Whatever I did had to be done all the way" (Schiller and Bennnet, 1994, pg 13). This quote was said by Lori herself, and just proves that my little girl was such an overachiever in everything she did. I think Lori was a great leader because she shows many traits a leader would have, and might I add she was a counselor at Lincoln Farms for a year or two now! Some leadership traits Lori shows are dedication, passion, and love. Lori had so much love to give for everyone she met and everything she did. Lori showed dedication everyday by trying to make us proud. Of course no matter what we would always be proud of her, but no matter what she always gave us a new reason to be! "With my guitar as my support, I played John Denver and James Taylor Songs, because they were the easiest, and somehow managed to stay in tune. Even though it was hard, it was something I prided myself on. If I had to do something-even something difficult-somehow I found a way to do it. I so much wanted my mommy and daddy to be proud of me" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 15). Here we can see just how much she wanted to please us no matter how the circumstance. All in all I believe my little girl is the best leader a leader could be. (This is just about Lori from the beginning of the book, not overall.)
ReplyDeleteLori Schiller #10: Thank you so much mom I am so happy to hear that from you. I can't agree with everything you said, because I don't think a whole lot of good of myself. I agree that I once was hard-working, but I became a slacker once my illness grew. Even though I knew I needed to, I just couldn't get myself to. But I do agree that I show a lot of love, because I have nothing but love for you dad and my siblings. I don't always show my love how others would, but it's always there. When you and dad came to visit me at the hospital I realized how much I had missed you. As soon as I saw dad I started crying and said "Take m'e home, daddy. I want to go home. I won't ever do it again."(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.40) I knew the only place I would feel safe and better was with the ones I love. I do agree I have dedication, even though it's in a unique form. My dedication is to myself. To trying every single day even when it doesn't seem I am trying. But living day by day is sometimes the most I can try, but I am dedicated to battling my demons. I would've never called the psychologist before I attempted suicide if I wasn't somewhere inside myself trying to battle all my own inner demons. So thank you mom for showing me that I am not worthless and in ways I am a leader.
DeleteEpsilon 1: Mr. Mond is a great leader. His name is Mustapha Mond also know as Controller. He is a very intelligent man and cares for us. Mr. Mond is a wonderful guy honestly he is very dedicated to his work, he is also very creative, and he is one of the ten world controllers. That is pretty cool! I think Mr.Mond is a really good guy he really cares about our happiness and stability. Controller said, "Stability, stability. The primal and the ultimate need. Stability. Hence all this."(Huxley, 2006, p.43) Like I said before Mustapha Mond is very smart, did you know he was a scientist? He found out something I'm not really sure what though, we do not get told a whole lot, but from the sounds of it he had to become a World Controller or be exiled. Mr. Mond is a great guy and he really looks out for all of us, and he is very honest.
ReplyDeleteStudent #1: This whole school thing is pretty dumb. I hate just going into class and listening to lectures. Except when Mr. Mond comes he is a very interesting guy. He talks about the weirdest stuff and he talks about the past. Which to me he is a leader being able to know all of the stuff from the past means he is very wise, he also is very persuasive. He talks about the War, "The Nine Years' War, the great Economic Collapse. There was a choice between World Control and destruction. Between stability and ..." (Huxley, 2006, pg.48). going on he also said, " Liberalism, of course, was dead of anthrax, but all the same you couldn't do things by force." (Huxley, 2006, Pg.49). Mr.Mond also talks about manogamy which means only being in a relationship with one person is bad. Mustapha Mond believes monogamy is bad for stability and believes that I should be able to go do whatever I want. He is very persuasive when he talks to you. He wants you to do what he thinks is right and I think that is a good leadership quality. Since Mr.Mond is one of the smartest people in the world I am going to support him and believe in what he says. In one of my studies after Mr.Mond came and talked to use I looked up his name Mustapha which is short for Muhammad. Muhammed is know as the chosen one so I am really starting to believe in Mr. Mond and I am very excited to see what he leads us to.
Epsilon-Minus- Mr. Mond is not much of a leader because leaders try and treat people equally. If he was to treat people equally he wouldn't make alphas smarter than everyone else and deprive epsilons of oxygen at birth to make them stupid.
DeleteEpsilon 1: Mr. Mond is a leader, he does try to treat us all equal! Mr. Mond is not the one responsible for depriving us of oxygen it is the Director and is the one that makes us undergo the Bokanovsky's process.
DeleteMr. Foster: @Epsilon1 The Director is not in the wrong. He take some orders from the Controllers, including Mr. Mond. The Director does an amazing job as my leader. He is inspiring, influential, innovative, and is a wonderful delegator. “We can’t bokanovskify indefinitely,” the Director once said (Huxley, 2006, pg. 9). Although, the Director has gotten us so close! The record for a single ovary in our center is “Sixteen thousand and twelve...” and we may get even closer than those in Europe. Without the Director leading us, we would fall short compared to the rest of the world. Although, he may have one weakness; his communication skills are not perfect. He requests that I tell the boys everything about the factory, instead of himself. He does a minimal amount of explaining, and instead has others communicate to the boys for him.
DeleteNick#96: I'm Nick Carraway and I have the privilege of being neighbors with a great, extremely wealthy man in Jay Gatsby. Gatsby has the makeup of a perfectly competent leader as he is confident, driven, and well spoken. However there is one thing about Jay that to me is a big flaw in his leadership and that is the fact that he does't feel down to earth enough. I can sometimes find it very hard to connect and to actually feel lead by him, even though he does seem to be a fine leader. Gatsby is really just extravagant to a fault, throwing parties so large that an entire orchestra is the entertainment (Fitzgerald, 1925, p.40). When he talks about his life it's even hard to believe, saying that he "...lived like a young rajah in all the capitols of Europe..." (Fitzgerald, 1925, p.65). While Jay Gatsby is undoubtably a great leader, I can't help but feel that if he was a bit more relatable, he could be even greater.
ReplyDeleteJordan Baker #1: What leadership qualities does he show though. You didn't clarify them really but I would say that having a big party would not be something that would be a flaw in his leadership. He also is very kind, "... for he told me that he had just bought a hydroplane, and was going to try it out in the morning.(Fitzgerald, 1925,pg, 47) "Want to go with me, old sport? (Fitzgerald, 1926, pg.47). After hosting a party and inviting you to do something shows that he cares about others.
DeleteNick #99: When Jay throws parties I believe he is not trying to be above people when you say he isn’t that down to earth but that's trying to break the ice with people and invite them into his life. It shows he is a great program planner and team builder by inviting them to hs place. He invites me to go hydroplaning with him the next day and also says goodnight to everyone that was left at the party (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg 53). Which shows he is obviously just trying to cool with everyone and be one of them, not separated from them because he is better.
DeleteNick #2.01: I agree with you that Jay is a good leader. He shows many qualities of a good leader but something is holding him back from being a great one. I feel like Jay does try, he really does to be like the rest of us but it is just not in his nature. The lifestyle he was brought up on is different than most and he doesn't know any other way. But you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is indeed trying to be the same. You can’t judge a leader just because he does not have the same lifestyle as you.
DeleteLori#7: Hi, I'm Lori's doctor, Dr. Doller. Lori is a special girl who has made a lot of progress since her Voices started. When I first started working with Lori, she was aggressive and suicidal. All of her previous records from other hospitalizations showed that no medication worked for her and that she was basically a lost cause. I didn't believe that. Once Lori was admitted to our unit, she did not show signs of improving. After a few meetings with her I began to understand that she just didn't understand her emotions. Once the staff and i were able to help her understand how she was feeling before she got out of control, she started to show many signs of improvement. On of these signs is the fact that she was able to develop and maintain relationships. Finally after many sessions Lori was able to open up to me and tell me the things she was feeling, hearing, and thinking. Another sign of improvement she showed is the ability to accept and change. It may have to many hospital admissions and many suicide attempts, but Lori finally realized what was happening and is working to fix it. A third sign of improvement shown is control. "And she worked so hard on her own behalf. I had seldom seen someone work as hard as Lori did" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 231). While of course Lori does not have full control over herself and never will, she still has to control herself and her actions almost every minute of every day. "She was driven to get well, and used her energy to put into practice every technique we all suggested for her" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 231). And lastly, Lori shows bravery. Lori is very brave for a multitude of reasons. The biggest reason is the fact that she is working every day to make change in her life instead of giving up. Even through her darkest times, she made it through and has and will forever fight bravely to get through her life as normal as she can.
ReplyDeleteLori of course shows some flaws. She was an amazing person to be around on her highs, but her lows were very stressful to deal with after all this time of trying to get her better and more in control of herself. "When the craziness cleared, she was such an engaged and likable person, witty, thoughtful and fun" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 231).
The way that Lori acted on her lows made me feel as if I wasn't a good enough doctor for her. The thought of spending years in college and taking all of the classes I took going to waste because I couldn't help her was eating away at me. "But I was constantly faced with the fact that what I was doing wasn't enough" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 231).
I feel as if i relate to Tiresias a lot because he has had a lot of experience and wisdom to offer, just as I do to my patients. If my patients would listen to me and take my advice, they might have a chance of improving. Oedipus resembles my patients because many of them think they know more than I do and can solve things on their own, just as Oedipus does with Tiresias.
Lori#7: The signs of improvement I described are also leadership signs, sorry if that was confusing!
DeleteLori #10 (Lori's brother Steven) @Lori #7- You helping my sister through these rough times means a lot to me and my family. I changed my major in college so I could go to be a psychiatrist so I could help my sister, but I realized very soon after that I couldn't be the one to help her. The doctors that Lori has seen have been very helpful and have helped her through this. She needed you guys and you did exactly what you needed to do for her and she's made so much progress. Lori has shown the leadership signs of being able to open up to people and trying to improve things for herself. Before seeing the doctors that she's been seeing Lori would not have been able to open up in the way she has.
DeleteNancy Schiller #546 @ Lori #7 : Hopefully with all the progess she has made we can get our Lori back soon. The longer this process is the harder it is on us as a family. Visiting her is becoming more difficult for me to handle. "When we pulled into the visitor's parking spot, and Marvin turned the engine off, I would sit crying in the cold, dark car. Over and over I sobbed that I was not going in, that I couldn't go in." (Schiller, 1994, pg 239)
DeleteKay: Wart, oh, I guess I should not call him that anymore... Arthur is a good leader. He is still young, but he makes up for his lack of experience with his good character. He is so forgiving, like a leader should be. I messed up. In my selfishness I said to my father, "I have it. [Excalibur] It is in my hand. I pulled it out." (White, 1939, p.205) I wanted to be king so I lied and said that I pulled Excalibur out of the stone when it was really Arthur who did. However, he is so kind that he completely forgave me. As king now, he treats me like a friend even after what I did. He really is an incredible leader.
ReplyDeleteMerlyn: Arthur is and will be an exceptional leader in many ways. However, at the moment he is young and can act stupid at times. He still has a lot to learn. He gets excited about battles but seems to forget that plenty of the people who he sends to them will end up getting hurt or even dying. When I wanted to get him to realize how many people died in one of his "good battles" I said to him, "The tally was more than seven hundred." (White, 1939, p. 223) In time, I hope, he will begin to realize that as a leader he needs to realize how his decisions will impact other people.
Lori #10- Marvin Schiller- I'm so proud of how far my daughter has come over the last year. She got a job waitressing and she seems to be devoted to her work. It's nice to see her mind focused on things such as work. She spends a lot of time working now, but I'm happy that she found a job that she's pretty good at! "Lori was doing pretty well for someone who had just been locked up for almost a year in a psychiatric hospital" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 113). It was difficult to stay patient and put my trust in Lori's doctors during her time of need, but what else can I do? I want my daughter to live her best life and to get better. My wife Nancy and I have tried being as supportive towards Lori (it's important for her to see that we're in this together and that her mom and I are here for her) and towards her doctors as they give her the help she needs. Lori really seems like she's came a long way since she's gotten out of the psychiatric hospital. Lori has been taking steps in the right direction for her recovery starting with a new job and then even joining an online dating service. Lori was going on all kinds of dates with the people she met on that website. She seemed genuinely happy, but I knew she still wasn't well. The way my wife and I supported each other through this journey was incredible. We both needed all the support we could get. We also knew that Lori needed all the support she could get during these times as well. Steven Schiller- Lori and I weren't all that close, but I remember visiting her in the hospital the first time was very hard for me. I was going through the awkward stage in my life, I was only seventeen and everything was changing for me. I didn't really know how to help Lori or what to say to her as I couldn't really comprehend what she was going through. Lori and my dad drove me to Baltimore where I was going to college. When I got there my major seemed like a long shot and like it was out of reach, so I changed my mind and decided to become a psychologist. I wanted to be the one to help Lori with what she was going through! The classes were very difficult, but Lori was in need and I wanted to help her through it. "We seemed much closer than ever before" (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 159). Since I could understand a little better now what she was going through we became closer and I was able to talk to her without being and feeling awkward about it. The second time I visited Lori in the hospital I was not as awkward and it was almost easier to be there and talk to her than it was the first time. It became very evident to me that Lori needed everyone to be strong for her. She needed all of the support she could get to help her through this.
ReplyDeleteNancy Schiller #12 : From my perspective, my husband is a great leader. He has always been willing to love all of us no matter what we’ve been through. When Mark was growing up and was always depressed, Marvin was always a trustworthy parent that we could go to for advice or even just someone who we could vent to. For the most part, we never worried about Lori as a kid and growing up. She was so intelligent and everyone thought as though she had it all. Little did they know that as college came close to an end, she would be fighting the many voices in her head, going through new battles everyday. The child we worried about was Mark. “Mark, our middle child, had been shy and awkward….Mark, though, had trouble adjusting.” (Schiller, 1994, pg 65) “Mark, on the other hand, was always depressed, moping around, getting teary-eyed, listening to acid rock and writing poems about death and suicide.” (Schiller, 1995, pg 65) That never brought Marvin down though. “He has always been so positive and take-charge. He always thought everything was going to come out all right, I had never heard him express any doubt.” (Schiller, 1994, pg 64) A good leader has to be able to take charge and stay positive through anything, and he did just that. I am just so proud of him.
ReplyDeleteMarvin Schiller #12 : The doctors we have been dealing with makes me feel as if things are never going to be normal again. Yeah, I get it, my daughter has a problem, but there has to be a way to fix it and make her better. There just has to be. The doctors are supposed to be the leaders here, the people we go to to find the answers, they’re intelligent. The doctors at the Payne Whitney Clinic finally realized they couldn’t do what was best for Lori anymore when they diagnosed her with “Schizo-affective disorder.” When she got transferred to The New York Hospital, Westchester Division, things were rocky at first. “Right from the start, the social worker assigned to our case, a middle-aged woman named Jody Shachnow, began suggesting that we get more involved in Lori’s treatments.” (Schiller, 1994, pg 79) And that is just what we did. Things finally started falling into place.
Marvin Schiller #12 : I believe I relate to Tiresias because I am trained to treat and help people with mental disabilities, like Lori’s. In this case, she is kind of like Oedipus. I tell the doctors the truth and what they can do to help her but they don’t listen and only do what they think is best.
Lori Schiller #10: Mom, I understand why from your perspective you feel that dad is a great leader, however here are a few examples of why you should rethink how you see dad as a father to me and Mark. Put yourself in my shoes for a second and imagine how it would feel having the pressure dad puts on us as kids. Always feeling like you're never good enough and never feeling a sense of accomplishment. It's very stressful and hard to deal with when you're just trying to be a kid. Dad always said we would "never reach perfection, but should always be reaching for it."(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.42) That is so much pressure to handle.
DeleteYou also mentioned how when Mark started having depression, he was a good father and always there for him. Which is true, because Mark was showing signs of depression so dad knew how to try to help. But the part that scared me out of wanting to tell dad about my problems, was that he always just expected bad things to be avoidable and that you can make good out of everything, rather than taking my thoughts seriously and trying to help. The night I attempted dad was bluffing and telling you that I was "fine" and "going to be fine" before you even got to the hospital and found out my condition.(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.39) Once you got to the hospital dad tried talking the doctors out of giving me the proper treatment I needed so it didn't come back to "haunt me later in life" like it was such a bad thing to talk about.(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.41) So I just think you should think about that before you call dad a good leader.
Lori Winters #150 @ Lori Schiller: Im glad that youre finally understanding that you deserved better treatment than what you got at the beginning of your illness. Your dad was selfish and never listened to what i had to say about you. He was too selfish thinking that it was his fault the way you ended up instead of just thinking about you and your needs. Your father said, "I couldnt believe it, I didnt want to believe it (Schiller & Bennet, 1994, pg 45). Your father has many leadership qualities but he has a few fatal flaws and made some pretty rash decisions when you needed him the most.
DeleteSteven Schiller #27 @ Nancy Schiller #12: Dad never was the same to me. Yes, he pushed me hard, but he never gave me the sympathy he is giving Lori. I tested it too. I asked Dad for a therapist, just to see if he would let me. You never know, I could be the same way Lori is. I go through many things she is. Actually I go through more, my sister is sick, but you don't care. I asked Dad for a therapist, but he only cares about Lori. What type of leader would leave his own son behind? What kind of leader would lie to someone just to make them feel better? He lies to everyone, including himself. Mom, when Lori tried committing suicide the first time, he said "She made a little mistake with her medicine." (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 39). Whether it was to make you feel better or not, he lied.
DeleteLori Schiller #10: My dad, well... I love him. Let's just say that first before we get into anything. My father, Marvin Schiller is a very good man with a heart full of good intentions, which may make him seem as though he'd be a good leader. Until this point in my life that is how I felt, that he was a good leader. He made a successful life while starting off with very little. He showed true ambition by graduating high school at the age of 15, starting college at the age of 16, and getting his PH. D.(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.43) He gave a lot of leadership traits in his early life, but now I'm starting to think he's losing them more and more. When my father found out about my suicide I felt so much guilt for trying, even though I truly knew there was a reason I tried.. Because something was very wrong with me. But, even after I attempted I did not want to tell my own father still, because I already feel so much pressure from him always wanting me to be perfect. If he found out about what is really happening, from me, I feel I would ruin the way that my father looks at me forever. Not only am I afraid because of that, but I am also afraid because he doesn't even believe what my own best friend was telling him, or even the doctors. He said Lori Winters, my best friend, was just "frightened and overreacted" when she called him the night of my overdose. (Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.40) This just makes me feel more isolated and crazy because I fear no one will believe or understand, especially if my own father is in denial of things happening right in front of his eyes. The fact that he can't accept things as they are makes me feel he is not a good leader along with him always making me feel I have to live up to so many expectations for his acceptance as a father.
ReplyDeleteLori Schiller #10: I meant to say when my father found out about my suicide attempt, not suicide.
DeleteLori Winters #150 @ Lori Schiller #10: I agree your dad did sometimes just look out for himself and his profession. He didn't always have your best interest in mind but he did get better after your first suicide attempt. I remember him saying in the hospital that, "the most important help she needed was to make sure that nothing of this incident ever came to light" (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 41). He was more worried about making sure your rash act never got out to anyone because he had too much pride being a psychiatrist himself. I tried to tell him how serious your condition was but he didnt want to listen. He didnt want to know that his daughter needed serious medical help. He thought, "if Lori were really sick, my training told me, then i was to blame. I couldn't believe it. I didn't want to believe it. So I refused to believe that Lori was really sick" (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 45)
DeleteMalala#1- @ Lori Schiller #10 I feel as though your father just did not know how to handle the situation. He did not want to believe that his daughter was having trouble. He thought it was his fault. I know your father has talked about how he took a lot of the blame of your mental illness thinking he raised you wrong. " But partly it was my own professional back ground, my training in psychology that-rather than helping me-made it almost impossible for me to face what was happening".(Schiller, 2011, p 45) Your father studied psychology and when you started to have some psychological issues he did not want to face the facts that his happy daughter was really hurting. Any father would be also hurt for this news.
DeleteMiss Baker #15 - Hello there, it's Jordan Baker. I believe that my friend, Nick Carraway, is an amazing leader. He is always so kind to everybody that he meets. Nick is also very selfless because he fought for our country in the war. I hate when people are careless, and Nick is anything but. That's why I said to him, "I hate careless people. That's why I like you." (Fitzgerald, 1925, p.58). He is respected by many people, even Gatsby! The only flaw that I believe Nick has is that even though he is very honest, he doesn't always speak his mind. This could be a problem for me if we ever begin a romantic relationship and he does not tell me what he is thinking.
ReplyDeleteNick#96: @Miss Baker #15- I disagree with you when you say that Nick is an amazing leader. Nick is thrust into duty for whatever Gatsby needs when Gatsby tells him that he will be discussing an important matter with Miss Baker at tea (Fitzgerald, 1925, p.67). Instead of taking a stance and being courageous as a great leader would, Nick just goes along with what Jay needs instead of inquiring further. Nick is very nice yes, but if anything his friendliness could be considered a flaw because although it is good trait to have, it allows him to be pushed around by stronger characters such as Gatsby.
DeleteMark Schiller #2: Hi, I am Mark Schiller. I am Lori Schiller's younger brother. Lori and I used to be so close and do everything together as a family. I have always looked up to Lori since I was a little boy. When Lori was in high school, the five of us would have dinner every single day at 6:31PM. I miss those times. Now, it just seems like my mom is only on the phone with this girl named Lori Winter. Lori Winter has stayed the night at my house a few times on long weekends and all, but I don't really know her that well, and I don't know why my mom would have any reason to be constantly on the phone with her. Whenever she calls, my mom acts all weird and goes in her room and keeps saying over and over that this is “just one of Loris moods”. I've tried to ask my mom about it multiple times and she just brushes it off, which I find strange too. Anyways, I just miss family time with Lori when we were little. I miss the time when were moving houses from California to New York, and we spent every minute on the ride saying “Daddy, I have to go to the bathroom”. (Schiller and Bennett, 1994, pg 10) Lori has always been a kind, outgoing person. When we were younger, she would go to summer camp to be a counselor for the nine and ten year olds. I've always admired Lori for sending her whole summer there, leading those kids, and being so patient and a good role model for them.
ReplyDeleteSee, in Marks eyes, Lori is a leader. He still admires that she is an outgoing girl, who used to spend her whole summer at summer camps to lead the younger kids.
Nancy Schiller: Hi my name is Nancy schiller. I am the mother of Lori, Mark, and Steven Schiller. My only daughter, Lori, is a wonderful role model to her younger siblings, Mark and Steven. I admire Lori for her determination and hard work during school. She even graduate high school with a 3.9 GPA. She seems to never disappoint my husband, Marvin, and I. She has always been a family oriented girl. She has gone to college, though, and she seems to be having a fun time and all, I always see pictures of her and her friends out together. Sometimes I get calls from her roommate and she seems to think that something is the matter with Lori. Personally, I think that everything is fine because she is already seeing a therapist. That is another thing that impressed me about Lori: she wasn't feeling herself, and it seemed like right away she went to see a therapist. I was proud of her that she took the lead and she asked to talk to someone, because sometimes that isn't an easy thing to do. My daughter leads by example, and I am glad my other two kids, Mark and Steven, are able to look up to her as a big sister and role model.
Steven Schiller #27 @ Nancy Schiller: Mom I always knew how proud you guys were of Lori. She does literally everything right, I miss the way she use to be. It is just a time she is going through, right? I hope one day I can make you guys proud the way she does to you guys. I wanna be as strong, smart, and loyal. She really cares about everyone, I want that.
DeleteSteven Schiller #546 @ Mark #2 I miss Lori too and I miss the times that we all spent together. Like when we were younger and we had our imaginary friend Bob to tell that we had to got to the bathrooom after dad got too mad. More often than not with just " knowing from the look on our parents' faces as they tried to stifle laughter that we had won." (Schiller, 1994, pg 11) Things seems to always work out. But maybe things are diffent now.
DeleteLori Schiller #24 @ Nancy Schiller : Mom, thank you so much for always believing in me. It seriously means the world to me how you feel as if Mark and Steven can look up to me. Thank you for never giving up on me throughout high school and college. I am thankful that you are always there for me to come and talk to whenever I need someone. And lastly, thank you for staying in contact with Lori, just goes to show how much you guys care about me and that means a lot.
DeleteLori Winters #150: I know that Lori’s dad loves her and cares about her greatly. He would do anything to see Lori be happy and more than anything: succeed, but i do think that his demand for her success gets in the way of what is truly right. I consider him a great leader. He comes from an extremely poor family and had to use his brains and determination out of the poverty in which he was born into. Marvin once said to me that he, “...graduated from high school at fifteen and started college at sixteen” (Schiller, Bennett, 1994, pg 43). Marvin is educated, loyal, courageous, and strong and makes for a great dad and leader. Marvin knew what it took to become successful and wanted nothing less for his daughter and two sons. He especially pushed Lori though. She was the first born and he knew she was capable of great things. I think that sometimes he pushed Lori too much and all she thought about was making her dad proud. Lori told me that she, “..always wanted my parents to be so proud of me. It was so important to me that I reflect well on them. So how could i destroy my parents by letting them know I was possessed? At all cost, I had to keep it from them” (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 17). Lori was obsessed with her parents happiness that she forgot about her own. Her dad pushed her too much and sometimes he became selfish when Lori needed him the most. Marvin even got the doctors to sign off on letting Lori go home her first suicide attempt because he didn’t want anyone to know that the daughter of the highly educated and respected psychiatrists daughter was in a psych ward. Marvin was too worried that Lori would carry a label because of her “rash act”. Marvin said, “I didn't want my daughter to be stigmatized by some temporary rash act. I thought that what ever had been bothering her had passed, and that she could leave the hospital right now and come home with me right away” (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 41). He was too proud to do what was right for Lori at the time. I do still think he is a leader and he is the reason Lori eventually got admitted to the Payne Whitney Clinic in New York. He helped Lori in the long run but he had some faults in the process. Because of Marvin's decision to not admit Lori the first suicide attempt, I decided to move out of the apartment Lori and I had shared. I couldn't take Loris outbursts anymore. I needed a fresh start to begin my life and have a clean start at my new job and friends.
ReplyDeleteBrad Winters#2 @ Lori Winters #150: Sis, I agree with you that Lori's dad did come around in the end to help her, but I also think you played a part in helping her too. You were there for her in the beginning, but there wasn't anything more you could do. I don't blame you for leaving after her first suicide attempt. It is a scary thing and when I asked you if she was violent, you replied, "I don't know anymore." (Schiller 1994 Pg 36)
DeleteLori Schiller #24 @ Lori Winters #150 : Lori, I agree with you that my dad really does love and care about me. The thing that sucks though is that he just always pushes me too far. I never feel like I can do anything right for him. My mom didn't even try to disagree with him when he blamed himself. "He had been too demanding. He had been too hard on her.....When she had been under pressure, wanted to switch schools, why hadn't he let her?" (Schiller, 1994, pg 64-65)
DeleteDaisy #1: Hello, I’m Daisy Buchanan. I live in the East Egg. I am married to Tom Buchanan and have a daughter. Tom is usually gone with Myrtle though. Somebody that I really admire is Jay Gatsby. He shows leadership in many ways. He is a very pleasant man to have around. He is very polite and well spoken. He is very honest, “I’ll tell you God’s truth… I am the son of some wealthy people in the Middle West...” (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg.65). He is not afraid of what people think of him and the way he was brought up as a child. He states, “ I was brought up in America but educated at Oxford, because all my ancestors have been educated there for many years. It’s a family tradition.” (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg.65). He is overall a very motivated and ambitious man.
ReplyDeleteNick #100: Hi, I’m Nick. I live right next to Mr. Gatsby. I believe he has some qualities that make him a good leader. He is very kind to me even though I am not as rich as he is. I respect him for this. I remember attending one of his parties and saying, “I live over there and this man Gatsby sent over his chauffeur with an invitation.” (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg. 47). Even though Mr. Gatsby knows I dont have much money he still treats me like anyone else which I think is very polite and kind of him. He is also very honest. I would consider Mr. Gatsby to be my friend and he has been nothing but honest and always truthful to me. He is never afraid to say anything. These are some of the great leadership qualities that Mr. Gatsby has shown so far.
Nick#96: @Daisy#1- I'm not sure that you can say that Jay Gatsby has been fully honest with everyone. Even as Gatsby tells Nick about himself, Nick can't help but understand "...why Jordan Baker had believed he was lying."(Fitzgerald, 2015 p.65). Gatsby seems to be overly trying to convince Nick of his good character which leads people to think he isn't being completely honest. Also, this activity leads me to believe that he does in fact care a lot what people think of him, perhaps even being a little self conscious about what others think. He is obviously very determined and motivated, but only time will tell if he has been completely truthful to Nick and the others and if his motives are pure.
DeleteMiss Baker #15 - @Nick #100- I am going to have to disagree with the fact that you think Gatsby is polite and kind all of the time. When Gatsby and Nick were on their ride, Gatsby would not tell him what the request he needed was, Nick stated that he was, "... more annoyed than interested." (Fitzgerald, 1925, p. 67). If Gatsby was actually very kind, he would have just come out and said what the request was instead of making Nick wait to hear.
DeleteJohn #1: Linda used to tell me stories about the other place. She would tell me about " the lovely music that came out of a box, and all the nice games you could play, and the delicious things you could eat and drink..." (Huxley, 1998, p. 128). That's why when I met Bernard, I thought he was amazing. He was from the other place and He knew about these amazing technologies. I told him about my life and about Linda. I even told him about My religion, and how I wanted to be like Jesus. " I did something that none of the others did: I stood against a rock in the middle of the day, in the summer, with my arms out, like Jesus on the Cross... I felt i ought to. If Jesus could stand it." ( Huxley, 1998, pg. 138). I could trust Bernard, I have a lot of respect for him. Most people aren't as small as him, and I bet he doesn't fit in, but neither do I. I am the only boy with blonde hair and blue eyes in the tribe. He is also Intelligent, because he is from the other place and is an Alpha. I learned about the Alphas from the books my mom gave me. When Bernard asked me "would you like to come to London with us?" (Huxley, 1998, pg. 138), I was filled with so much joy. I exclaimed "O brave new world that has such people in it. Let's start at once" ( Huxley, 1998, Pg. 139).
ReplyDeleteStudent #2: The tour of the London Hatchery was a very interesting time, I leaned a lot from the Director. He taught us about the importance of the Bokanovsky's Process. He said "Bokanovsky's Process is one of the major instruments of social stability" ( Huxley, 1998, pg. 7). He has a lot of goals that will help our world. this is the reason he is a great leader. The Director wants to help the wold become more efficient and become a better place for all of us. He is also highly respected. He is the Director of the London Hatchery of course. Everybody takes orders from him and they are willing to follow his orders. I hope I can be that respected one day.
Nancy Schiller #27: My husband, Marvin Schiller is certainly one of a kind. No one brightens a room quite like he does. Marvin just has his vibe going for him that everyone just seems to love. Yes, he can be a little much at times. He also does hold very high standards for the kids, but its good for them. At least I think so. Marvin has always had such a good relationship with Lori. She looks up to him. Not only does Lori look up to him as a good role model, but I do as well. He is a leader himself through anything he does. He always has a plan, when Lori started to have her moments... and I mean the serious ones, he knew exactly what to do. He always inspired people. Something he says a lot is "...although they would never reach perfection, they should always be reaching for it." (Schiller,Bennet, 1994, pg 42). He inspires people to do better than what they ever thought they could do. Not just any leader is like that. He is the most intelligent man I know, he got his PH.D, and built everything from the ground up (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 43). I married a man with integrity, diligence, and empowerment. All of these things pile on to make him the leader he is.
ReplyDeleteSteven Schiller#2 @ Nancy Schiller #27-Mom, I don't agree with you. Maybe Lori thought of him that way, and you do as well, but not me. He treated me differently after Lori went into the hospital. He had always pushed us so hard to achieve, but all of a sudden he did the complete opposite. He tried to get me to take the easiest classes my senior year. I wondered if he had been the result of Lori's illness, and didn't want to do the same for me. He didn't inspire me. He discouraged me.
DeleteLori Schiller #22 to Nancy Schiller #27- Mom, I completely agree with you. Although dad had a high expectation of us kids, he never lost sight of what really mattered. He always made sure we were happy when we were younger, and even now he still shows so many qualities of a leader. Lori Winters was telling me that when she called him when I overdosed, she called my dad right away, and he kept his calm very well. Lori winters said that she was panicked and he just kept saying "Clam down, everything is going to be okay." (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 42) Lori Winters told me it was very reassuring, and he showed a strong sense of calmness.
DeleteNancy Schiller #27 @ Steven Schiller #2: Steven your dad always has cared for you. The minute he got home from work we would start dinner, because he wanted to be with his family. You are his family. He is a smart man that you can look up to.
DeleteSteven Schiller #27: Lori is my sister. She is stronger than anyone I have ever met. She has been going through a lot right now, I just don't think my parents totally get it. Being a kid is tough. Lori has been just trying to please them in every which way. One day, I hope to achieve the things Lori has. Lori herself is strong. She had the nerve to finally ask my parents to talk to someone. They think us kids are these perfect little machines, but really things go on. Lori was a role model for me. I finally asked my Dad to talk to someone too, he did not take that too seriously. In fact he said, " But Steven, I don't think you need one" (Schiller, Bennet, 1994, pg 57). They don't understand and they never will. Lori went through this all and got the 3.9 in high school, got accepted into various schools, she graduated college, and now lives on her own having a job. There are some bumps in the road right now, but everyone goes through it. She will be back on her feet before you know it, because she is strong and never lets anyone put her down. My sister is a leader and she is what I want to be one day.
ReplyDeleteMalala- @Steven Schiller I believe my father has the same qualities as your sister. In different circumstances I must say. Your sister was going through something way harder then what my father was going through. My father was going through a hardship with money issues but your poor sister was going through issues with her mind. You sister in my opinion faced a way harder issue but, both your sister and my father have over come.
DeleteMark Schiller #22 @ Steven Schiller #27: I completely agree with you, Steven. Our sister, Lori, through all of this, has made a real effort in school, and to always lead both of us in the right direction. She is so determined and knows what she wants. Lori has always gotten good grades, too. I didn't realize it until recently, but Lori has gone through a tough time these last several years. I think that Lori didn't want to bother anyone when she was going through it so she just didn't say anything to upset us. She kept a calm face on towards us, and I admire her for that.
DeleteBrad Winter#2- I am Brad Winter, Lori Winter’s brother. After my experience last night, I know my sister is a true leader. She has a friend, Lori Schiller, who is pretty messed up. And my sister has been so supportive and trying to get her help. Instead of just walking away, she has been there for her, trying to help her. Lori Schiller told me last night that, “Life is horrible...it wouldn’t matter if it ended tomorrow.” (Schiller 1994 pg 35) I thought that at first she was joking, but later found out that she was serious. I was worried for my sister that Lori Schiller may be violent, so I hid all of their knives and heavy objects. I didn’t want her to hurt herself, or hurt my sister. I didn’t get much sleep that night. I give my sister credit for being brave. I’m really not sure how she slept, as I was fearful of Lori Schiller hurting us or herself.
ReplyDeleteSteven Schiller#2-I have always looked up to my big sister Lori. I wanted to be like her when I was younger. When I was eleven and she was seventeen, I thought she had it all. “Lori’s life looked so glamorous.” (Schiller 1994 pg 56) She was always so nice to me and even invited me to see her when she was in college. She took me around and we did a lot of fun college things. I felt very fortunate that she took her little brother around. Not many older sisters would happily do that. She really was my idol. And then she got sick. I remember being so upset with my parents when they put her in a hospital. I felt like they were just trying to get rid of a problem because they couldn’t handle it. I didn’t fully understand. I was selfish, and I refused to visit her in the hospital. I had looked up to her so much, and had wanted to be like her, but this was one time I didn’t.
Lori Schiller #24 @ Steven Schiller : Steven, I know it was hard hearing and thinking about what I was going through and me being in and out of the hospital. But you being selfish didn't help. "I refused to visit Lori in the hospital. Partly I was being selfish. I didn't know what I'd say. I didn't know how to act. But partly, I was thinking about myself." (Schiller, 1994, pg 57) It would have been nice to even just see you, to have your presence. But you couldn't even bring yourself to come see me, to show that you cared even a little bit. You not coming to see me just made me feel like I was nothing to you. That I am just nothing to anyone.
DeleteBuddy: I am Buddy, younger brother to Bigger. I also have a mother and a sister, Vera. My big brother is my role model. I look up to him. My mom didn't want me to look up to him because he was in a gang, but he left that gang for a better life. Mother says that when we get old enough we need to get jobs to help her out with the bills and for food and other stuff. Mother had to keep bothering Bigger about getting a job because at first he just wanted to be a part of a gang, until it just hit him one day that he has a better life waiting for him. When he finally got a wake up call from life he was about to rob someone so he had to find a way to get out of that, which was difficult because he was the one that set it up. Bigger didn't handle the situation the way he should have. He beat up his buddy Gus, who was also in the gang. Bigger said he was late getting to their meet up spot so he had to teach him a lesson. Bigger didn't tell me the whole story, but I pretty much knew. He beat the crap out of Gus and in the end he said "'You clown'...'Put your hands down and set on that chair'...'That ought to teach you not to be late next time, see'" (Wright, 1940, pg. 44). Shortly after that scene with Gus he went to the Dalton's to talk to them about a job. He ended up getting the job and went to work that day. I was so happy to see him turn his life around like that. Mother has never been fond of the choices that Bigger makes, but this one she was. She was also very proud of him. She no longer told me to not take after my older brother. She thinks that he will get somewhere in life and start his own life by getting this job. I recall her saying "'You got a good job now'...'You ought to work hard and keep it and try to make a man out of yourself. Some day you'll want to get married and have a home of your own. You got your chance now. You always said you never had a chance. Now, you got one'" (Wright, 1940, pg. 114). Even though Bigger had a rough past, with the gang and everything, I still look up to him because he's my older brother. He's always been there to influence my decisions. He's there to give me advice and to help me out with things. I take after him just by watching what he does. If it's okay for Bigger to do something, then it must be okay for me, right? I suppose that isn't completely right. I see and hear of Bigger being in a gang, mugging and robbing people, and beating people up. I guess that isn't the best to look up to because then I might want to start doing that stuff too.
ReplyDeleteMr. Foster#1700: The Directer? My leader? Well yeah, I suppose he does lead me. An odd question that one. He is my boss you know. Some of his good qualities that make me feel this way would be his trust in knowledge, his understanding of authority, and him "making a point of personally conducting his new students round the various departments" (Huxley, 2006, pg 4) makes his especially special.
ReplyDeleteStudent#18632: I like the director because he says things that are important. I also like him because he is important. He is a leader because he led us through the whole hatchery and conditioning center, except for the decanting room. He was all like, "No time for the intellectual embryos" (Huxley, 2006, pg18) bla, bla, bla.. Other than that he was a good leader and seemed nice to his workers.
NerdStudent#8629: It was a crap tour @Student#18632, they say he brings you through the entire tour but he always made his worker Mr. Foster do everything. If anything Mr. Foster should be called a leader for being so committed to his field and trying to tell us the stuff about researching the maturation rates of people.
DeleteStudent #2: @ Student#18632, The director doesn't only say " important things", he does them. He is charge of the whole Hatchery. He is respected by all of the people who work for him. The director can command them with a wave of his hand, "He waved his hand again and the Head Nurse pressed a second lever" (Huxley, 1998, pg.21).
DeleteStudent#18632: @Student#2 You're right. I thought that was so cool! I want to be like him some day!
DeleteStudent#7827: @Student18632 @NerdStudent#8629 Both Mr. Foster and the director are bad leaders. The director seemed cool at first but he didn't care about us, we were just another dumb group of students. He couldn't even tell us about his departments him self, he had Mr. Foster do his work. As for Mr. Foster, he's no leader at all, he's got the ideas and whatever but doesn't act on it, instead he was following the director along doing his work like a puppy dog. Lame.
ReplyDeleteStudent#7827's remark was supposed to be in response to the post above.
DeleteSteven Schiller #546 My sister is very sick but she doesn’t deserve to be in the hospital. It’s Unfair. “At my age, everything looked black and white. There was right and there was wrong, and putting Lori in the hospital was wrong”. (Schiller, 1994, pg 53) My parents are just trying to cover up this just like everyone in Scarsdale does. They act like they don’t even care about her, locking her away like they did. What's worse is, what if this starts to happen to me? But Lori was once happy. She was a good role model to me because I wanted to be just like her.
ReplyDeleteNancy Schiller #546 The doctors are giving up hope on my daughter. They feel that she may never come back to who she was before. “The young man, who turned out to be a resident in psychiatry, had told us to ‘face facts’ in the same tone that he might have used to tell us he was breaking a dinner date with us. Did he know that he was talking about out child, our child’s future, our child's life, our child’s fate?” ( Schiller, 1994, pg 78) I don’t think he did. Or maybe he didn’t care. But my baby girl is strong. She was brilliant in school and outstanding all around. Whatever this mental breakdown of hers is, I’m sure that everything will turn out alright in the long wrong. Or at least it would if the doctors would stop giving up hope.
Malala #1- My father to me has many leadership qualities. One, he is very strong. When he first started out with his school things were not working. It got to hard even on his business partner that he backed out and wanted to be bought out. My father, Ziauddin did not have the money but his life long friend, Hidayatullah wanted to take the other mans place. But still for a while the school was not going as planned. My father stayed optimistic and strong when things got hard. "I would get very depressed and sometimes collapse seeing the problems all around us but when Ziauddin is in a crisis he became strong and his spirits high" (Yousafzai, 2015, p 51) My fathers optimism was perfect since after a few years their school got very popular. Also, my father shows intelligence. Once when I was young I stole from my friend that lived on the same street as me because she stole one of my toys first. My mother found the stolen items while I was away at school and then went on to tell my father. But, instead of getting mad at me my father went to tell me about the mistakes young famous leaders have done. He told me a quote from Mahatma Gandhi, " Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the the freedom to make mistakes". (Yousafzai, 2015, p 71) My dad believed that I would learn a better lesson with the power of knowledge then the power of anger, and he was correct I never have stolen or lied ever since. Also my father is well respected in the community. When there is ever feuds my father is the man sent to clear thing up. The people will listen to him knowing that he went to school and now owns his own. " He did not believe in badal-revenge- and would try to make people see neither side had anything to gain from continuing violence, and it would be better for them to get on with their lives" (Yousafzai, 2015. p 73) Since my father has been the people to be sent to end feuds the crime rate in out community has dropped drastically. My father was very selfless. He created a school specifically for children who severely needed it. But, his main concern was about the environment. He told me that only about half the towns population had clean drinking water. He then went on to create a thing called the Global peace council. He wanted what was best for the community not for his own personal gain. ".. the organization's aim was serious: to preserve the environment of Swat and promote peace and education among local people". (Yousafzai, 2015, p 84) My father is a great leader and I am proud to be able to write about some of his leadership qualities that he has.
ReplyDeleteBuddy: Your father sounds like a great person. He seems very determined to make things right and to make the world a better place. We need someone like that where I live. But, your father does sound like a yes man. I mean there's no way he thought of all of this on his own. He must've gotten the idea from someone else when they mentioned that it needed to be done, and he just said okay and did it. Also, I have my suspicions that he isn't completely selfless. He's got to have a reason for doing all of this, not just to make the world a better place. I'm thinking maybe bragging rights or to be able to boast about himself, but I could be wrong. He sounds like a wonderful person, I just think you may be hiding some of the negative things about him. He can't be completely perfect.
DeleteMalala- @Buddy, I agree that my father might be doing things for personal gain but that personal gain might be to have a great life for our family. Because we have lived so poorly for most of our life don't you think that maybe we deserve a little leeway? I also believe that no great leader does everything for other people. No one is perfect and I believe that every great leader makes mistakes.
DeleteBuddy: @Malala, You do deserve leeway but you got that by doing a little bit for your country. Your father is going above and beyond, there must be a reason for that. What has you father done to make him not so perfect? I can't determine if someone is a leader if I don't know any of their flaws. Maybe you father murdered someone and he is using all of these wonderful, helpful thing to cover his tracks. I wouldn't want that kind of a person to be my leader. He has leadership qualities but that doesn't mean he is a leader. Is he actually a leader? How do you know? What are some of the negative things that he has done? He may not actually be a leader and you're just making him look good because he is your father. What is your secret with him?
DeleteDaisy #2.0: My husband, the filthy and unfaithful man that he is, is a leader. When saying that he is a leader, my intentions are not to boast about his honest and empathetic ways, because if I am being frank, he does not possess those. When you think of a good leader, my husband, Tom, should not be an example that comes to your head. A “good” leader should carry qualities such as faithfulness, honesty, and empathy along with so many more. Even though my husband acquires none of these traits, people that don’t know his as well as I do respect him for some odd and unexplainable reason. Everyone he meets seems to fawn over his lavish life and does not see past the wall of crap he puts up. His “girlfriend” who is too unhappy in her own relationship she has to ruin someone else’s as well, won’t think twice to call our house, knowing dang well that I am home. Speaking of Tom’s little girlfriend, I heard they were at a gathering and were arguing (big shocker, Tom was arguing with a women) and he, “broke her nose with his open hand” (Fitzgerald, 1925 pg 57). Now do you think a good, compassionate leader would break a woman's nose? Along with Tom not possessing the qualities of a good leader, he also seems to only care about himself and how to make himself look good to others. Moreover, it pains me to say this, but even though my husband is a prime example of a terrible leader, he still seems to find people that look up to him and respect him.
ReplyDeleteDaisy #1 @ Daisy #2.0: I agree with you completely with everything you said about Tom. He is also very liberal and racist. "...if we don't look out the white race will be utterly submerged..." (Fitzgerald, 1925, pg.13). This makes him very unlikeable by many people. He somehow is still respected by people though which completely shocks me considering how arrogant of a person he is.
DeleteMiss Baker #15 - I completely agree with you that Tom is a terrible leader. None of the qualities that he has shows that he is a good leader. I remember the time after you two got married and we met in Santa Barbara, Tom got in a car accident with another woman, who was, "... one of the chambermaids in the Santa Barbara Hotel." (Fitzgerald, 1925, p. 77). I knew right then that he could never reach the status of a great leader.
DeleteMiss Baker #15 - That last comment was meant for Daisy #2.0
DeleteAlpha-minus #219 @ epsilon. There are many reasons us alphas are in control. Thank ford you guys are not in control. We need to keep the jobs being done. After all we are all working for each other. We all are society. Children being groomed for their jobs is absolutely perfect for the evolution of our world. In the end I just take a gram of soma and I cure 9 worries. The reservations are where the savages belong. Epsilon belong in their industrial servant jobs and I am where I am supposed to be, taking my contraceptives with my beautiful neon print belt.
ReplyDeleteEpsilon#219@ alpha minus#219 I don’t know why you talk to me. I just keep my place and do my job. Occasionally I can see the light at the top of the elevator after a shift change. I bring them up and down considerably like an Igor that repeatedly pulls the switch. Where else could I possibly see myself as because to me nothing is more beautiful than that light.
DeleteDirector#219@ alpha minus# 219. I belong at the top of this field. They sent Bernard to where I lost........ well for fords sake that doesn’t matter. What does matter is that epsilon 219 I will demote you to a position in Iceland if you continue to be insecure about your alpha position. Don’t consider the epsilons because we are all working together. You should consist of your superiority,contraceptives, and soma. Make shure you are not late to the next meeting.
DeleteNancy Schiller #44: To my daughter Lori, you have been one of the biggest leaders in my life. I loved you since the second you were born. You were the perfect child.(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.62) I have always been so proud of you, because you always tried your hardest. You always care and give love to everyone in our family. I can´t believe this is happening to you. ¨I do not know how I did not see any of this coming.¨ ¨How could I have been so blind?¨(Bennett and Schiller, 1994, p.65) Even with all of this happening to you, you are still a leader to me. I am learning that you are even stronger than before. I know it is hard for you, and that it is not the real Lori when you are saying all those hateful things. Especially since when you snap out of it, you show you are sorry and that you still love us. I am so proud of how strong of your own leader you have been.
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