Can people with mental illness teach us something new about our American society?
*Argue which work of literature did a better job, your book or the play and why?
*What new information have you learned after you finished your book? How did it change your perspective about your character/s?
*You may incorporate feminism, historical elements to the book you just finished reading--any changes in society in the last 20-30 years?
*What did you learn about yourself as well?
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ReplyDeleteThe work of literature that did a better job of displaying mental health, in my opinion, was The Marsh King’s Daughter by K. Dionne. This book goes into depth of the lifestyle about a child born into a family of a mother who was kidnapped. It also describes life in isolation and life without the experience of normal society. This book seems to be a little more up-to-date with current-day issues such as PTSD and depression. This book is not meant to be a mental health book, although these aspects of mental health from the main character, Helena, scream that she needs help. Although this book is more of a mystery and a little chilling, it does a better job showing mental health than All My Sons by Arthur Miller. In Miller’s book, the perfect family suffers the tragic loss of their son, who is also a husband and a brother. They try to heal as their secrets come out and the greed and mental health issues of their family shine through. All My Sons seems to be too short of a book to get into the whole mental health issues of the family, since it is shorter than The Marsh King’s Daughter, Dionne’s book can go further into detail about the mental health of the characters and it truly reveals the real issues other than just the cruel crimes. Arthur Miller also has more of a style in his literature of “pointing fingers” or playing the “blame game”, this means that, yes, of course, mental health is an issue, however, the book is not geared towards the mental health of the characters. Miller’s book is more of a “who is to blame” type of literature.
The ending of these books are clarifying to show that The Marsh King’s Daughter displays better examples of mental health issues. Even though the endings of these books are very similar, one is more prominent in showing mental health. In The Marsh King’s Daughter ending, the daughters are planning to get a book that describes their mothers life after Helena shot and killed her father. And to note, in the ending of All My Sons, Chris shoots his own mother, but it never states Kate’s wellbeing after this, and the play does not have another act after to describe the PTSD and effects from these events like The Marsh King’s Daughter does so well. I was kind of upset with the lack of character development in The Marsh King’s Daughter, but I see more mental health issues in this book rather than in All My Sons.
The aspects of Dionne’s literature that describe mental health are significantly more noticeable than Miller’s. All My Sons goes into some detail about mental health, however, The Marsh King’s Daughter does it better. On page 176, Dionne tells the fictional story of how PTSD of childhood events affected Helena in her later adult life, she says “ I was standing at the railing on the viewing platform, watching Stephen and the girls laughing and throwing snowballs and just generally enjoying the day, when I turned to look across to the place my father and I stood all those years ago. Instantly I was eleven years old again, crouching behind the log with my father, looking back across the falls to the platform where I now stood with Stephen and my girls, It was then when I realized. We were that family” (Dionne, 2017, p. 176). Then at the end of the chapter on page 177, she continues to say “ I turned away from the railing with no explanation for my tears except to say I wasn’t feeling well and we needed to go home right away. Naturally, the girls were disappointed. Stephen swung Mari onto his shoulders and started up the stairs without question. But as I followed more slowly with Iris, I could tell he didn’t believe me” (Dionne, 2017, p. 177). These anecdotes provide proof that the mental health of Helena was significantly affected by her childhood trauma and she now suffers from PTSD and depression.
The Marsh King’s Daughter seems to have more of a significance on mental health to date. It involves more of a description of the details leading to mental health and their effects such as PTSD. However, All my sons, introduce the negative effects of not receiving help from mental health issues such as depression. A suicide at the end of a novel has a severe impact on each reader’s point of view. The realization of how severe mental health issues opened my eyes more than reading about how mental health challenges were introduced. In the Marsh King’s daughter, this child’s life has been affected, and although I do not know the ending, it seems as if the child has mental health issues from her father who kidnapped her. Of course that is traumatic and influences her mental health. But in the play, All my sons, a death in the family affects each person involved. The mother has depression and insomnia not believing that her son has died, whereas Joe Keller has hidden mental health issues. His mental health issues are because he was the reason that Larry passed away and takes on guilt. He has so much guilt from his son’s anger and his own mistakes, that he drives himself to commit suicide. To me that impact at the end of the play is incomparable.
DeleteI agree with your take on The Marsh Kings Daughter, how the book has a more modern take on the mental illness side of the book such as in the Marsh Kings Daughter they talk about how helena's mother has PTSD from years of abuse and captivity. And in All My Sons they do not acknowledge that mother has insomnia and depppresion from learning her son is missing and dead.
DeleteBut in All My Sons they don't talk about mental illness compared to Marsh King Daughter they do.
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ReplyDeleteNearing the end of the book has changed my perspective of the characters for both books. The Marsh King’s Daughter has made me understand the true reality of depression and PTSD. At the end of the book, Helena forgives her mother for the way she has raised her. Helena discovered that her mother was not living a normal life and easily forgives her for her style of parenting once she knows how it is. Even Helena has trouble with parenting, she and her mom both struggled with commitment issues, being able to be around people, and showing affection properly. This affected Helena’s mother through the book and until she died. At the end of the book, I also had a different opinion about Jacob. Helena describes how she would never see her father being so evil, but in the end, Jacob shoots her in the shoulder, and her dog Rambo. This showed me that the character Jacob has severe personality disorders, maybe more than one. And secondly, in All My Sons, Miller describes how the father, Keller, is greedy and also suffers from the guilt of the crimes he has committed. In the end, my thoughts changed about him because he had finally confessed to his actions that some people suspected since the beginning of the book. Keller says “ I didn’t want it that way, either! What difference is it what you want? I spoiled both of you. I should’ve put him out when he was ten like I was put out, and make him earn his keep. Then he’d know how a buck is made in this world. Forgiven! I could live on a quarter a day myself, but I got a family so I…” (Miller, 1947, p. 76). This part of the book changed my thoughts on Keller as he confesses to knowing about the broken plane parts and knowingly killing passengers “for his family”.
The historical elements of both books play a big role in how they display mental health and the way women are treated. As previously stated, Miller’s book is older, therefore it shows how the husband is supposed to be the "breadwinner" and the wife is supposed to stay at home. They portray this with several characters in the book. Jim’s wife is a mother to children and her husband is a doctor. Lydia also takes care of her children. Hypothetically, I suspect that the reason that Kate is so devastated when Larry goes missing is that she was the main person who took care of him, Keller was not as he was working all the time. This element of the way women were treated is very different from how women are treated nowadays. In The Marsh King’s Daughter, Dionne also takes the historical route when writing about the characters, Jacob the father, treats his wife the way the Indians did hundreds of years ago. He beats her, makes her do chores, and makes her child go against her while punishing her for little things. This is very outdated as most of these things that Jacob does are very illegal now.
Finally, I also did learn some things about myself while reading these books. While reading both I started to understand the aspects of grief, guilt, depression, and anxiety. Sometimes when someone has these things they don’t always know why. I have developed more of an understanding of why these things also happen to me. Although most of my mental illnesses are not situational and are more genetic, some things that happen in the book can be related to our real-world situations.
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Dionne, K. (2017). The Marsh King's Daughter. G.P Putman's Sons.
Miller, A (1947). All My Sons . Penguin Group
My corrected APA for this source: Miller, A (2000). All My Sons . Penguin Group
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ReplyDeleteI feel that The Marsh King's Daughter by Karen Dionne did a better job showing mental health issues than the play All My Sons by Arthur Miller. This book was about a young girl (14) kidnapped by a man named Jacob (The marsh king). While in the marsh mother also has a kid named Helena which is who is telling the story. Mother and Helena were both abused mentally and physically by Jacob. Both struggled with PTSD and depression, it does not say in the story, but I believe that mothers depression got to the point where she couldn't handle it anymore, and she took her life. In The marsh King's daughter, Helena sufferers from PTSD, so many things she does every day reminds her of the marsh; in Chapter 27, on page 297, she was about to kill her father, he brought up the time when she saw the wolverine and instantly she could picture exactly what he was saying. “I want him to stop saying my name. I know he’s only doing it to try t control the situation the way he always does, even though he knows he lost. Only … now that he’s called up the memory, of course, I can't help but see it” (Dionne, 2017, p.297). This book’s main point was not mental health issues, but I feel it does a better job than the play All my sons by Arthur Miller. The Marsh King's Daughter is based on more current events, and the author does a much better job with detail than Arthur miller does in All my Sons. The play did do an excellent job of showing mental health issues, too, different kinds of course. I feel like there is PTSD and depression, but I also feel like everyone in this play has a lot of guilt built up, and the mother is in denial, and Frank struggles with believing Larry is dead. “ If November 25th was his favorable day, then it’s completely possible he’s alive somewhere because… it’s possible”(Miller, 1947, p.8) is what Frank said about larry. I think that just shows that there is some kind of mental illness going on there because he has been dead for a while, but they still think because THAT is HIS favorable day, he is alive… quite crazy to me.
ReplyDeleteI believe that The Marsh King’s Daughter showed me that one can get kidnapped and come back and never recover from it. It helped me understand PTSD and depression a little bit more too. On the other hand, All My Sons showed me how easy it is to be in denial. Even though it is clear that this man has been dead for a while, people cope with everything differently, and I think denial is a big thing a lot of people resort to.
Dionne, K.(2017).The Marsh King’s Daughter. G.P Putman's Sons.
Miller, A.(1947).All My Sons. Penguin Group
I came to the same conclusion about the mother being overwhelmed by her depression resulting her to take her own life in The Marsh Kings Daughter. In All My Sons I think the mother was more in denial than Frank, since she was the one who asked him to make the horoscope. I came to the conclusion that rather Frank did believe that Larry had died, but didn't want to crush the mothers hope. Frank also does not finish the horoscope right away either, I feel like if he thought there was a chance Larry would still be alive he would've finished it immediately.
DeleteI agree with your statement that Helena's mom might have taken her life, she for sure suffered from PTSD and it might have been more of an issue once she got out of the marsh. I also agree that Helena suffers from PTSD and she also might be affected more in the real world from PTSD than back in the marsh. Of course all of these things that happened in the marsh were horrible, but they didn't notice that they were horrible until Helena and her mother escaped. Helena was used to all of this because she was born into it and her mother was getting used to it after all those years. I agree that All My Sons does show the same mental illnesses as The Marsh King's Daughter, but guilt is shown more in All My Sons. In the ending of all my sons though, it did show anger and depression with Chris for shooting his mother. Do you think that maybe All My Sons does a better job showing the anger aspect of it, rather than just showing guilt better? Maybe it even shows depression better when it talks about Larry killing himself and The Marsh King's Daughter never actually said that Helena's mother killed herself?
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Where I do see your viewpoint I would have to disagree. Whereas you book does describe deep mental health issues (the fathers behavior), I think that "All My Sons" better exemplifies American mental health issues. The play describes grief which is a very common issue in American, and the play describes how it can effect those we love. Your book however, goes in detail about psychotic issues that are much less common than grief. When it comes to learning things I believe there is more worth in the knowledge we gain from a common issue than a rare one.
Delete@Payton I do think that the play All My Sons does do a better job of showing guilt.Also yes I do think that All My Sons does a good job of showing depression but I feel like The Marsh King's Daughter is better in a way, it says how mother never left her room after she left the marsh and Helena thought maybe it was because that was the last place she felt safe and some other things about her mother suffering from depression. I do think it goes into more detail about her mother being depressed.
DeleteUnderstanding the ending of the Marsh King’s Daughter is a huge impact on me. Although I have not read this particular novel, suicide reveals hidden or unspoken mental health issues that haven’t been addressed. This particular ending is much like All my sons, where Joe Keller takes his own life because of his hidden guilt in the play. However, the play All my sons bring so many mental health issues to the table because the whole family has experienced a large loss. The mother Kate, doesn’t accept the fact that her son has passed away and loses sleep because of insomnia. Annie in a way tears the family apart. She is unwilling to leave the family she is visiting and wants to quickly move on after Larry has passed away. The family hides their own struggles affecting everyone. Each book brings forth mental health issues with each character. The effects of mental health in each character are revealed in the endings of each story. Which are better represented in All my sons.
DeleteI agree with the idea of the mother in The Marsh Kings Daughter taking her own life because of the PTSD of being kidnapped and losing that much of her life.
DeleteI also agree with how you said that they both portray mental illness in great but different ways. The mental health issues that Jacob faced in The Marsh King's Daughter were feeling like he is never wrong and also manipulation with Helena's feelings like in the quote on page 297. The mental health issues that are seen in All My Sons are hidden at first and then later revealed. The people in this story deal with guilt and depression.
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DeleteI believe my book, The Quiet Room did a better job showing how people with mental illness can teach people something new about American society than the play All My Sons did. The Quiet Room did a better job because it shows how there are people out there in the world that have a mental illness but do not get help such as Lori´s grandmother ¨But now, looking at Lori, I realized my mother hadn't been eccentric. She had been sick...For if Lori was schizophrenic, then so was my mother.¨ (Schiller, 1982, pg.82). Some people refuse to believe they have a problem and that is why they do not get help. Therefore, teaching people that you never know who has a mental illness because a lot of people hide things.
ReplyDeleteI like how you provided a reason to why you think that your book was better than the play, and how you showed proof from the text. I agree that there are a lot of people in the world with a mental illness that do not get help. I think that most people with a mental illness do not have access to get the help they need because of the lack of resources and not being able to afford treatments, rather than just denying that they don't have a mental illness.
DeleteI agree with this 100%. It felt heartbreaking to be when Nancy Schiller came to that conclusion of her mother having schizophrenia. While it made sense that Lori would have inherited it genetically, it is astonishing that Nancy grew up with a schizophrenic mother, but no one ever knew. It truly shows that even in that little amount of time, society has changed, doctors have more information, and mental health is more focused on. I feel grateful for Lori that she was able to get help, when it was clear that her grandmother must have suffered without anyone really thinking twice as to if it was mental illness.
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DeleteI agree that some people do refuse to realize they have a problem. However, are you saying Lori refused to realize she had a problem and that is why it took her so long to get help?
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DeleteYes, @jenna. She did not get help for so long because she did not want to believe she had a problem.
DeleteThe Quiet Room and All my sons have similar character qualities. Much like Lori’s mother, Kate in All my sons hides her issues from her family. She loses sleep and when anyone in the family brings up the idea of her son she says she has a headache and refuses to admit her true issues. Lori’s schizophrenia is hidden by her own mother and she pretends it is not an issue. Her suicide attempts seem to be ignored by her family, much like Kate hides hers. After Joe commits suicide at the end of the play, the family realizes the true mental health issues that were hidden by each character. I agree and believe that The Quiet Room brings forth significant mental health issues. Ignoring mental health issues after seeing her own daughter attempt suicide multiple times is baffling. Mental health should never be ignored
DeleteI completely agree that we need to teach everyone that some people we wouldn't normally suspect might have a mental illness. It would benefit many people because maybe people we would be more understanding of others' feelings and thoughts. I also believe that nowadays we talk more about mental health which is absolutely a good thing.
Delete@Lori. I agree and disagree with you. I think that she did realize she had a problem but didn't know how to come forward and say what is going on. She was very lost. At times she did state that she thought it was other people's fault but that was also the voices telling her that and she believed the voices the majority of the time.
DeleteI agree skylar 100% there are lots of cases where people don't accept they have mental illness until its to late or they never get help. The only thing we can do is make it a more open topic and that you're not crazy for having a mental illness
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ReplyDeleteI believe that people with mental illnesses can teach us new things about our American society. Personally, I think my book The Marsh King's Daughter does a much better job supporting my claim compared to the play. In my book as the daughter Helana grows up she begins to put her dad on a pedestal. She frequently looked up to him wanting to be his equal, while in the process treating her mother cruelly. Later on we find out his true colors and what he can do. The dad shows cruelty to Helena and her mother on several occasions. Being at a young age Helena accidentally smashes her thumb with a hammer while using it so her father responds with “ saying sorry isn't enough. Accidents always have consequences …. He balled up his hand into a fist and smashed it down on my thumb” (Dionne, 2017, pg. 127). This is just one instance where her father showed cruelty. He is a true psychopath and shows no remorse for others' pain. “ After my father shot and handcuffed me, he dragged me by my shoulders” (Dionne, 2017, pg. 246). A logical response to someone being shot would be to call an ambulance, but her father acts nonchalant as if it's a mere paper cut. He also shows a lot of narcissistic tendencies, “I didn’t want to hurt you,'' he says. You made me do it” (Dionne, 2017, pg. 246). He never holds himself accountable for anything, and continues to try to live out his delirium. The father is a prime example that people today are completely unpredictable, and can be very manipulative to hide their psychopathic side. I realized that some people can be extremely manipulative, lack empathy, and do any means necessary for their own personal gain.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your point that Helena looked up to her dad all the time and never thought anything he did was wrong. Obviously, we know what Jacob was doing was wrong from the beginning but Helena didn't because she was used to that life. Jacob for sure did some very evil things like the example of smashing her thumb, or even putting her in the dark and cold hole as punishment. Jacob is also shown as mentally ill because he does kind of blow off Helena, the mother, and the snowmobiler's injuries. He should have been more caring but I don't think he is capable of those types of feelings and emotions. He might not be able to sympathize because of his altered mental state. However, maybe he does know what he is doing, he does seem very manipulative when he tries to get his way with Helena by asking emotional questions and saying he does al of this because of her, and that it is her fault. How does this book compare to All My Sons with showing mental health? I think that The Marsh King's Daughter simply did a better job as you said previously but I would like to know how you think it is better, or what All My Sons lacked. Maybe once you have compared them, you might change your mind and see that All My Sons did a better job. Maybe you might say that the depression in the characters and the PTSD from off-stage characters was portrayed better. Or maybe you might be upset with the lack of character development in the Marsh King's Daughter, like I was, and say that maybe since the mental health of Helena and her mother were not making progress as much as they could have been, that it was not as important in this book compared to All My Sons.
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DeleteI agree with you Skylar that father did do very cruel things to Helena and mother. At the end of the book when John the snowmobiller came to use the phone and was going to help them leave the marsh but father came home and not only broke Johns arm but he also broke mothers and carved "Slut" and "Whore" into her stomach, which shows that he truly has many mental illnesses. ALso about your quote on page 246, do you think father actually wanted to hurt Helena or do you think he truly did not want to but his issues almost took him over and "made" him do it?
DeleteThe Marsh Kings Daughter definitely involves mental illness and its effects on this particular family. However, in All my sons the family as a whole suffers from mental illness due to a traumatic loss of a close family member that sends domino effects throughout the family. In The Marsh King’s Daughter, it seems like the father is the main antagonist and his mental health affects the daughter. In All my sons, after the death of Larry, Kate gets insomnia and isn’t able to sleep and she will not accept that her son is never coming back. Annie hides a letter revealing information and facts about Larry’s death and she refuses to release this information at the end of the play, affecting everyone especially Kate. Joe has made a terrible mistake and will not take responsibility for it. At the end, when his son demands the truth, Joe explains everything and ends up committing suicide from guilt. So this entire family’s mental states are falling apart. It is more significant because rather than affecting one person the whole family is affected. Instead of this particular family helping each other with their mental health, they “sweep everything under the rug.” This is incredibly significant to society and shows that the play All my sons did a better job showing the significant effects of ignoring mental health than The Marsh King’s Daughter.
DeletePersonally, I believe that The Things They Carried was better than All My Sons when it comes down to literature. The Things They Carried is categorized as fiction but if the reader didn’t know that, they could possibly make the assumption that it is non-fiction. The author, Tim O’Brien, does a fantastic job of making the story come off as realistic and describes the events in a way that seems too detailed to not be true. For example, on page 237, O’Brien describes his feelings after discovering that Linda has died. He deeply describes his emotions by saying “I drank some chocolate milk and then lay down on the sofa in the living room, not really sad, just floating, trying to imagine what it was to be dead.” (O’Brien, 1990, p. 237). This statement has descriptive feelings of an event that did not actually occur in real life. New information that I learned at the end of my book was that Tim O’Brien actually went through trauma as a young child that he never dealt with and ends up comparing some of those feelings to his feelings on the trauma from war. When he was just nine years old, there was a girl that he was “in love” with. Her name was Linda but she had more going on in her life than what Tim was aware of. She had a brain tumor and later on loses her battle to cancer. This deeply affected O’Brien at such a young age and he never got over it, even at the age of 43. O’Brien relates the death of Linda to his war stories because he uses writing as a way to cope with the trauma. On page 236, he talks about this writing by adding the following sentence. “But in a story I can steal her soul. I can revive, at least briefly, that which is absolute and unchanging. In a story, miracles can happen. Linda can smile and sit up. She can reach out, touch my wrist, and say, “Timmy, stop crying.” (O’Brien, 1990, p. 236). O’Brien uses his stories as a way of saying the things he has a hard time saying. The stories keep him attached to the trauma and pain he endured. Earlier in the story, O’brien also says “I feel guilty sometimes. Forty-three years old and I’m still writing war stories. My daughter Kathleen tells me it’s an obsession, that I should write about a little girl who finds a million dollars and spends it all on a Shetland pony. In a way, I guess, she’s right: I should forget it. But the thing about remembering is that you don’t forget. You take your material where you find it, which is in your life, at the intersection of past and present.” (O’Brien, 1990, p. 34). I think that the stories that he writes comes down to the feeling of guilt. The stories keep him close to those feelings and force him not to be able to forget. This made me think differently of Tim O’Brien as a character. I now realize that the whole point of his writing is to cope with the emotions he has built up inside of him. It seems almost therapeutic and possibly helps him with his PTSD or any other mental illness he may have.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien, T., & O'Brien , T. (1990). In A. Beattie (Ed.), The Things They Carried (pp.
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ReplyDeletePeople with mental illness can teach us something new about American Society. Society tells us that if you have mental health issues it is a negative thing. Instead of encouraging people to get help, they stigmatize mental health. Making it so people who need the help are too embarrassed to receive care. By the time people with mental health issues seek help, it could be too late. For example, In Sam Hell by Robert Dugoni, the main antagonist, David Batemen, has traumatic childhood experiences. Because he never sought help as a child, he became his abusive father. David’s wife, Trina, is too afraid of her husband and remains quiet about the abuse to her and her daughter Danielle. Because of this, by the time the medical professionals discover the true issues of the relationship and abuse, it’s already too late. After Danielle’s eye surgery, Trina stays in a hotel room and her ex-husband finds her, killing her and then himself(Dugoni, 2018, p.371). Would this have ended differently if his wife had truthfully spoken up? Possibly, but with the stigma and embarrassment of mental health issues, society should not wait until it is too late to find out. Another example of mental health issues is in the play All my sons. The mother, Kate, has mental health issues along the lines of depression, and she can not accept the fact that her son is not coming back after he disappears . She also has terrible nightmares about her son causing her to lose sleep. She says “ I could hear him like he was in the room. Mom! It was his voice.” (Miller, 1947, p20). Her mental health in the novel shows she needs help and her family continues to tell her Larry is never coming back. Both of these novels prove that people with mental health issues can teach society that they need to get help after experiencing loss, or childhood trauma.
I really like your point that mental health has been over stigmatized. People in America often view issues like depression as character flaws rather than medical problems.
DeleteI do agree that in All My Sons they needed to help Kate from all the signs she was showing. Yet I do feel at the same time she wouldn't accept help. Mental health does have a stigma but it is getting better as time goes on a lot more people are asking for help. I do also enjoy the quotes you use.
DeleteThe Extraordinary Life of Sam Hell is a better representation of the negative effects of mental health than All my sons. Although both novels have negative mental health actions involved, The Extraordinary Life of Sam Hell shows a positive light on mental health. All my sons results in suicide at the end of the novel leaving a negative effect for the readers. In The Extraordinary life of Sam Hell, the ending results in a positive acceptance towards himself. The protagonist, Sam realizes he is unique and instead of hiding his red eyes, he listens to his mother and “ accepts God’s will.” A positive effect for Sam was his mother. She constantly stood up to him when he was being excluded. For example when Sam is denied acceptance to a private catholic school because of his eyes. She calls Sister Beatrice “Un-catholic and insensitive to a boy that God gave red eyes” (Dugoni, 2018, p27) For Sam, having someone that always stood up for him helped him accept his faults and improve his mental state significantly. Because of this hope is given to the readers, making this piece of literature a positive light on mental health. Throughout the novel, Sam constantly is thrown back into his past traumatic experiences of bullying, which end up following him into adulthood. As an ophthalmologist, he wears brown contacts to conceal his true red eyes. Once he meets a young boy with the same features, he realizes he shouldn’t be hiding “God’s gift” anymore. Sam states “We realize it is in those quiet moments that each of us has the ability to make our lives extraordinary. For I am my mother’s son.” (Dugoni, 2018, p.428) This positive ending gives readers a more positive outlook on mental health. Providing hope and encouragement to those who were in the same circumstances as Sam. Accepting his differences and not allowing his past traumatic experiences to affect his daily life, truly positively influenced Sam’s mental health. An ending such as the one in The Extraordinary life of Sam Hell, shows encouragement and hope to those experiencing mental health issues from their daily life like Sam. In order to influence struggling people to get help, having a positive ending to a circumstance allows the readers to seek help for themselves rather than giving up.
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Miller, A(1947)All my sons. Penguin Group
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It is my honest opinion that the novel Testimony by Anita Shreve better answers the question, “Can people with mental illness teach us something new about American society”, than the play All My Sons by Arthur Miller.
ReplyDeleteIn Testimony, many themes of mental illness are present, however, I believe its theme of lust best answers the question. Lust, in itself, is not a true mental illness, however, it is used in this novel as a catalyst that creates a series of terrible events. Furthermore one could argue that lust’s ability to cause poor decision-making and quick choices, is actually a reason why it could be considered a mental illness. A Testimony character Rob best explains how lust can affect others with the words, “A single action can cause a life to veer off in a direction it was never meant to go”(Shreve, 2009. Pg 283). In the novel lust leads the headmaster, Mike, to have an affair with Silas Quinney’s mother. This then triggers a series of events in which Silas is drunk and lust commands him into committing sexual acts on a minor. Having this incident take place in a typical American school best displays how the author suggests that America allows lust to control itself. What more can be taught than that lust is an extremely common issue in America?
Despite the play All My Sons have great themes of mental illness, it does not answer the question as well as the novel. The best use of mental illness in the play is the example of apathy towards human lives felt by Keller. Keller is able to justify allowing American soldiers to use his faulty machinery and inevitably die, without an acceptable explanation. His son best describes his trespasses when he states, “I don't know why it is, but every time I reach out for something I want, I have to pull back because other people will suffer.” “I know you're no worse than most men but I thought you were better. I never saw you as a man. I saw you as my father” (Miller, 1947, pg 105). The only conceivable lesson from the play is that sick men can do sick things, but is that a truly good lesson? Despite Keller’s heinous deeds, his actions do not define American society. Whereas many Americans are driven with lust, most Americans are not guilty of murder.
Testimony By Anita Shreve better answeres the question, “Can people with mental illness teach us something new about American society”, than the play All My Sons by Arthur Miller. Shreve uses lust, a household disorder, to describe how truly common the issue is in America; whereas the play uses a very uncommon disorder such as apathy.
References Cited:
Miller, A. (1947). All My Sons. Penguin Publishing Co.
Shreve, A. (2009). Testimony: A novel. Back Bay Books / Little, Brown and Co.
I wouldn't say lust is a mental illness. I feel everyone has lust some can control more than others. It isn't always bad to lust something. It is oneself who makes the decision. In Testimony the biggest mental illness that stuck out to me was Robs depression he showed such vulnerability towards the end and he took responsibility for his actions. Lust might have been a factor of the issues that occurred in Testimony bit the overall sex tape drove these characters to mental illness. Great post overall and quotes.
DeleteBoth The Quiet Room and All My Sons are great works of literature, but The Quiet Room exceeds the expectations and goes in depth from many different perspectives about a mental illness. The Quiet Room educates those to realize you have no idea what is going on in someone's life and shows there is help in our society, even when things seem completely helpless. It definitely shows you a different way of life, a difficult life. The Quiet Room is based on a true story about a woman named Lori Schiller who has schizophrenia. In the beginning, Lori is 17 years old and very lost in her own head. She had many experiences with voices shouting at her saying things like, “You must die!” “You will die.” (Schiller, 1976, pg. 6). For the majority of the book, she tried to hide those voices from other people and she was very confused as of why no one else was hearing these voices. “Once again hiding the Voices began to take up much of my time and energy.” (Schiller, 1977, pg. 1). She bounced around from hospital to hospital trying to get the help she needed. She finally had ended up at New York Hospital where she got the help she needed. It definitely was a roller coaster of events; at one point her doctor said “I wanted to do whatever I could to help Lori. But could I face the fact that there really was no other hope left for her?” (Doller, 1989, pg. 232). Luckily, Dr. Jane Doller never gave up on her and resulted to putting Lori on a drug called clozapine. Before reading this book, I had no idea what clozapine was or that it existed. I learned how harsh of a drug it was and that using it on Lori could potentially kill her. In fact, prior to Lori starting clozapine, her father Marvin Schiller, said “If it kills her-- well, maybe she’s better off dead.” (Schiller, 1989, pg. 244). First of all, imagine your own father saying that about you. Incredibly sad, right?
ReplyDeleteMany were on the verge of giving up on Lori, but luckily they did not. Clozapine ended up flipping Lori’s world right around. “But slowly, behind all the depression, the conflicting medications and the outrageous behavior, the new medication was doing its work.” (Schiller, 1989, pg. 246). On April 20th, Lori had wrote “I want to live” 22 times down in her journal. (Schiller, 1989, pg 247). Listening to someone go through so much pain and so much trauma from the age of 17 to 30 years old was so sad, yet truly inspiring. I grew an entirely different respect for Lori Schiller, both of her parents, and her doctors but especially Doctor Jane Doller. They fought through the times when Lori seemed hopeless, and stayed with her throughout her journey.
Schiller , L., & Bennett, A. (2011). The quiet room: a journey out of the torment of madness. Grand Central Publishing.
I totally agree with you in the aspect that "The Quiet Room" goes much farther in depth than "All my Sons" when it comes to the topic of devastating mental illness. I appreciated you bringing up what Lori's father said about her possibly being better off dead, as it bring up an important aspect about how mental illness is a long fought battle that may seem hopeless for everyone involved.
DeleteI strongly agree that The Quiet Room goes very in depth about the illness. It really shows what goes on in Loris life. I would also say that it helps the reader understand more about what happened to her and in general.
DeleteI also believe that The Quiet Room does a better job at going in depth about mental illness. I think that you chose some great points and quotes from the book. At points I feel like Lori's father was so selfish about her mental illness. I 100% agree with you when you said that what her father said about her was incredibly sad. You're right, I could not imagine my own father saying that about me. Towards the end of the book my perspective also changed. No one really "gave up" on Lori and seeing that at the end is amazing. Each character that you had mentioned definitely deserves the respect that they earned from your point of view.
DeleteMental health patients in America can teach the American society loads of new information that was never thought of before. We can learn to look past the surface and get to the bottom of the issue. These people can also show society that anything is possible, even with mental health issues. “For today, four plus years after I left the hospital for the first time, it is I who am in control of my illness and not the other way around” (Schiller and Bennet, 2011, pg. 258). The Quiet Room by Lori Schiller and Amanda Bennet, in my opinion, was a better piece of literature than All My Sons by Arthur Miller. Lori Schiller's book was much more in depth and moving, with deep meanings and strong vocabulary and language. After finishing, I found out that Lori still deals with her mental health to this day, but she has learned to overcome it with the help of a new drug called clozapine and therapy. It greatly changed my view of Ms. Schiller because I realized that she managed to find hope when there seemed like no chance. Lori made herself a normal life even after the horrible things she went through. She was treated unfairly as a woman, and as a patient, but she still managed to make a beautiful life for herself. In All My Sons by Arthur Miller, Kate was also feeling hopeless, “You’ve got a family. I’m simply telling you that I have no strength to think anymore. (Miller, 1947, pg. 76). I also began to learn that I am able to pick out certain situations and interpret them. I started to realize that there could be so many different people that hold in a mental illness and never let it show. The hardest thing I realized is that I lost friends to mental illness because it was never picked up on and dealt with properly. Mental health in America has greatly evolved from what it was and victims of mental illness are the ones to thank for our new knowledge. In All My Sons, the mental illnesses portrayed in the characters were all revealed towards the end, and it really adds to the point that most people have some sort of mental illness.
ReplyDeleteI like that you added the last sentence because I think that it makes you notice all the clues of the mental illnesses throughout the book that readers may not have noticed until the ending when they were revealed. This comes to show that people may be aware that there is mental illness but may not know how to notice it in someone else.
DeleteI really like that you mentioned Lori's recovery from the darkest parts of her struggle with schizophrenia. Showing that it is possible to move towards getting better both mentally and physically. I also agree with @Mackenzie Richardson about the last sentence. In multiple instances in both books we see almost all of the characters struggling mentally with something, even though some cases were more severe. This just proves that not everyone is showing the battle that they may be going through.
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ReplyDeleteThe new information I learned from reading the rest of my book was that the marsh king just kept getting more and more messed up like he tortured the snowmobiler that he called the hunter. And Helena's mom knows who it was from school, she had a crush on his younger brother. Towards the end of the book when Helena is on the snowmobile with her mom Jacob shot her mom and her dog when she was escaping on the The Hunters snowmobile. “I wish I had waited longer after he went into the marsh before I started the snowmobile, driven faster, not stopped when he told me to. If I had done any of these things, my dog would be alive and my father would not have shot my mother.” (Dionne,2017,page 286). It changed my perspective on the characters because Helena's love for her father was strong even though she knew towards the end of her time at the marsh her father was a very bad man her mother and the hunter told her. Like it blew my mind that she still had so much love for her father even though she now knew how many bad things he's done to her mother and other people that stumbled into the marsh.
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The piece of literature that showed mental health better is The Marsh King's Daughter by K. Dionne. It's a story about a young girl who was kidnapped into isolation when she was twelve and then lives in the marsh on a ridge for years then she has a kid named helena and she tells the story about the things she saw and did at the ridge with her father Jacob who kidnapped her mom but she thought it was normal because that's all she knows. But once she got older she found out he was a very bad man for torturing her mom and other people which cause PTSD and other mental health issues from physical/mental trauma and isolation for years. It's a good book but a little weird but it shows mental health more clearly in more ways than All My Sons by Arthur Miller. In that play the mental health issues are noticeable but not as defined or as noticeable as in The Marsh King's Daughter. When Ann shows up the kellers are trying to get over one of their sons death and mother thinks he is still alive because he went MIA in war then later in the play Ann shows them a note from Larry their son who commited suicide but didnt know it because Annie never showed them the note for like 3 years. It's a very traumatic storyline but the mental health isn't shown as well. “Altogether your brother is alive, darling, because if he's dead, your father killed him. Do you understand me now? As long as you live, that boy is alive. God does not let a son be killed by his father. Now you see, don't you? Now you see.”(Miller, 2000, page 68) The mother doesn't believe her son is dead even though he's been gone for 3 years so there are some mental health issues.
Dionne, K. (2017). The Marsh King's Daughter. G.P Putman's Sons.
Miller, A (1947). All My Sons . Penguin Group
my apa citation should be Miller, A(2000).All My Sons.Penguin Group
DeleteI fully agree with how crazy Helena's love for her father is. Even though Helena's father was a terrible person who abused her and her mother; she still loved him. It even mentioned in the book how she wasn't sure that he ever even loved her back.
DeleteI also agree with your choice on which of the two books portrayed mental health issues better.
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DeletePeople with mental illness can teach us more about our new growing society than most people. Going through mental illness is a battle on its own with societal norms; it's even harder. Having the pressure to be perfect not only in person but over social media. The book Testimony by Anita Shreve does an amazing job of showing this. Three male students face these pressures driving them to make a bad decision one night leading to tragic effects on an unknown amount of people. Not only does one boy kill himself all the boys lost their full rides to Brown and Gonzaga. Not only to learn but to play basketball. One night these boys drank and ended up making a sex tape with a fourteen year old girl. The societal norms was one of many that made the boys drink that night. Rob, one of the boys in the book, felt a pressure to drink and he stated “I have asked myself a hundred thousand times why I didn't leave the room with them.”(Shreve, 2008, pg 298). The alcohol had a huge impact on these boys' minds which overall was a pressure made by society to drink at their age. From another perspective the girl who was in the tape Sienna was also a victim to societal norms. From the beginning of the book her roommate expressed that “I would say that she dressed kind of sexy. Some girls did without even trying, but you could see that she was trying.” (Shreve, 2008 ,pg 99). This shows that everyone was already sexulazing her resulting in her to feel the need to prove herself through the sex tape. Most things that happened in this book even the huge tragedy of the sex tape could be avoided if socitey dint put such strong norms on these teenagers. Towards the end we get more trauma from these boys and mental health issues. Rob, who really stuck out to me, was so affected by his parents getting divorced, Losing his friend Silas to sucide, and not being able to really leave his house. He wants to leave and go help people in other countries once his probation is lifted. Even with depression he's breaking these societal norms of just giving up and doing other crimes. Rob is making a change to be better which would be a great thing for society to focus on.
ReplyDeleteThis book helped me to understand the importance of cause and effect. With Silas cause and effect was what destroyed him from finding his mom and Mike having an affair, the basketball game where he chucked the ball and hit a lady, which led to drinking, led to him being in the sex tape, which all resulted in his letters to noelle and his sucide by freezing to death.Everyones life was not ruined but definitely effected in some ways as Rob put it eveyrone would get through it expect for silas parents whos lives were ruined from their sons death. This is emotionally appealing not only to me but any teen who reads the book we all have these pressures in our lives. Yes things may happen to me but resulting in societal norms of drinking and what is pushed on us more today would be vaping which both are never the answer. One single action can put hundreds of people's lives into tragedy.
ReplyDeleteTestimony does a great job of showing this while All My Sons lacks this concept. In my thoughts The overall layout of Testimony helps show the impacts of mental health better than All My Sons. Seeing each person's life change from the tape really hits your emotions the more you get attached to characters the more you find out about the things these characters have done. In All My Sons this is not the case you don't get a huge emotional attachment to the characters since we don't learn much about them. The characters in All my sons with mental illness do help show society that we need to help people with ptsd and the ones who lose loved ones to war. Grief and Denial can lead to horrible emotions. Opening up talking about these feelings will be so beneficial for our society. Opening up may have prevented Keller from killing himself upon many other events in the book especially with Kate Keller. Kate's family needed to help her. She showed so many signs of denial when she said “We rushed into it. Everybody was in such a hurry to bury him. I said not to plant it yet. I told you to!” (Miller, 1947, pg 21,) Society doesn't help these grieving parents; it pushes them into depression.
The biggest piece of information from the beginning to end in both books was the sucide of two characters. To me that these characters felt the events that happened before them the consequences were gonna be worse than death. That's a huge red flag if people with mental illness feel this way why do we push them to get over it and not talk about it. Both characters Silas and Keller would have had harsh consequences yet they would have been okay in the long run. The emotional impact of their deaths however will never be okay for the people affected. These deaths did give me a different perspective of characters. In All My Sons, finding out what Keller did showed me he was a dishonest man and his family knew which made it worse. To me everyone in the play was a villain in their own ways. In Testimony i felt as if Mike would not have been so secretive Silias death could have been prevented. The police would have brought Silais in and his emotions could have calmed down before he ended his life. There is tragedy in both stories yet all of it could be avoided if characters acted in honest ways instead of lying and being secretive. This also leads into my next point of the blame on women in both stories.
ReplyDeleteWomen were so scrutinized against in both stories. In two separate ways these women were put through unspeakable standards. Testimony women were made to feel it's their fault for the way their sons ended up. Ellen, the mother of Rob, was divorced by her husband because he blamed her. Michelle the mother of James told of her feelings that it was her fault for not being in his life more. Silas mother is another story she is partly to blame since she had an affair with Mike. These two women were not to blame because both parents raised them so both are at fault and not even since we all make our own decisions. All My Sons just shows us remarks about Ann being talked about like an object. People talk as if she needed to be married without thinking of her own reasons. A comment was made by Jim he said “Like to meet her. The block can use a pretty girl. In the whole neighborhood there's not a damned thing to look at.” (Miller, 1947, pg 9).Not only is it demeaning to Ann but his wife also and every other woman in the book.These women face mental health issues and society did not help these women show us that.
Finally, the overall question of Can people with mental illness teach us something new about our American society? Yes, each and everyone can show us new societal norms that need to be broken and fixed. From the pressure on teens to the unreasonable things mothers are expected to do. Each and every norm needs to be worked on.
References
ReplyDeleteShreve, A. (2008). Testimony. Hachette Book Group, Inc.
Miller, A. (1947). All My Sons. Penguin Group.
People with mental illness can in fact teach us something new about our American Society. I believe that The Marsh King’s Daughter by Karen Dionne did a superior job than All My Sons by Arthur Miller. Although both books involve mental illnesses, The Marsh King’s Daughter is more about a mental illness that caused other mental illnesses while All My Sons is more about a family scandal. Jacob, the father from The Marsh King’s Daughter, kidnapped and held a 14-year-old girl captive. He raped her and she gave birth to Helana, the person telling the story. He not only physically, mentally, and emotionally abused the mother but his daughter too. There was something so psychologically wrong with him that he shot at his own family when things were not going his way. “Another shot rang out. My mother screamed and fell across the handlebars, a bullet hole in her shoulder (Dionne, 2017, pg. 284). He is very manipulative and cruel. His mental health problems caused Helana and her mother to have PTSD and depression with possibly other issues as well. When the mother returned to society, she hid in her room as a comforting place safe from the outside world. I could not imagine coming back to civilization after being kidnapped and being okay. It does not exactly say in the text but inferring what the book says, the mother killed herself from depression. At the end of the book, Helana and her family are in the cemetery telling stories and she mentions that she has a journal that she will let people read one day. She says, “ But I will never sell. Because this isn’t their story. It’s ours.” (Dionne, 2017, pg. 305). Another reason she may have written all of this down is to cope. I believe these pieces of literature, especially The Marsh King’s Daughter, teach us that some mental illnesses might be harder to recognize than others.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the book, Helana has her father trapped and he knows he has lost. She shoots him for the sake of her family. “I love you too,” I whisper, and pull the trigger.” (Dionne, 2017, pg. 300). Throughout the story, Helana is torn between loving and hating her father. As a child, she looked up to him and wanted to be just like him. In doing so, she was very rude to her mother in the ways her father was. Later, she learns that her mother was not the villain but the victim of her father’s crime. Her love for him fades and she has become a better person. My perspective on Jacob has not changed. He is still an awful man who does nothing but for his own benefit. He wants to take Helena and her daughters to Canada to fix what he broke once long ago. On his way to accomplishing this, he traps Helana and once again shoots her. It always was his way or the highway throughout the book.
Dionne, K. (2017). The Marsh King's Daughter. G.P Putman's Sons.
I agree with your discussion post. I see you said her love for him fades and she has become a better person. Do you think Helena could have possibly followed in her father's footsteps if she did not escape the marsh when she did? I feel like if she continued being her father's little shadow any longer it could have lead her down the same path, giving he made her do everything he wanted.
DeletePeople with mental illness can definitely teach us about something new in American society. For instance, they can show the US how difficult it can be to survive in a system that was mostly designed for mentally well people. A good example would be how expensive it is to get mental health services. This brings up the book "The Quiet Room" by Amanda Bennett and Lori Schiller. It follows Lori's struggles with schizophrenia and her multiple hospital, doctor, and therapist changes. In the book, she switches mental hospitals, wards, units, a minimum of eight times. Her family does have quite a bit of money, but towards the center of the book, Lori's father goes to his company and asks for money to help pay for treatment for Lori. “She had no insurance of her own, and her bills were mounting by the tens of thousands of dollars. The costs were more than I could comfortably handle on my own. So in March, I wrote a memo to my firm, asking them to help me out.” (Schiller, Bennett, 2011, pg 117). This instance proves that mental health services are almost unattainable and unreasonably expensive. This complication in the United States healthcare system has been so prominent in my own community that I wrote my paper about it. Furthermore the book "The Quiet Room" proves my point more than "All my Sons". While "All my Sons" was an incredible book with wondrous insight on how it was to have mental illnesses before the services that we have now. It didn't really mention anyone going to seek treatment or help with their struggles. So if they don't even go to seek help, what would they need to pay for? While treatment is unattainable for some, in recent years a large number of people have moved towards getting help. In the last three decades, more and more people are reaching out of their comfort zones and attempting to get the help that they require. People are now more open to the idea of getting treatment, and not just sitting on their overwhelming emotions until they can't handle it anymore. Not only are people seeking therapeutic help, but they also are moving towards getting medicinal help to balance out chemicals that may be out of sync with the cycle that they are supposed to be in. The is also shown in “The Quiet Room” where Lori tries an experimental drug call clozapine. Clozapine, along with frequent visits to a psychiatrist and therapist, is able to control her schizophrenia symptoms. She then is able to get back to a semi-normal life. Of course, clozapine isn’t the only medication that she is taking, “I note that I take thirty-one pills a day.” (Schiller, Bennett, 2011, pg 277).
ReplyDeleteSchiller, L., & Bennett, A. (2011). The Quiet Room. Grand Central Publishing.
Miller, A.(1947).All My Sons. Penguin Group
The date for the APA citation for All my Sons should be 2000.
DeleteI think you did a great job explaining and providing examples of how mental health services are so expensive. I totally agree that within the last few decades more people have reached out to get help. I think it is very important to talk about because without talking about it, no one will get help and the cycle will continue on until something is done to change it.
DeleteI could not agree more. I think mental health expenses are a huge problem in todays society and in previous years. It is understood that doctors have to be paid to help these people but anyone who is struggling should be able to get the help they need. I think you do a great job stating that it is a continuous problem. I also agree that more people come forward to say they are struggling. Although, they may say they are struggling.. they don't always get the help they need because it is still hard to explain your feelings and what is going on. Lori is a great example of patience and going through many trial and errors to see what helps her the most. Everyone is different and most cases will need a different treatment.
DeleteI believe that people with mental illnesses teach us something new about our American society. The new information that I have learned after finishing “The Quiet Room” by Lori Schiller is the only reason why Lori was able to conquer schizophrenia was because people never gave up on her. It sounds cliche, but if her parents gave up on her when the doctors told her that she would be stuck in the hospital her whole life, she would not be in the state she is in at the end of the book. During a visit with her parents, she began to think how she always wanted to be the daughter that her mother dreamed her to be, but all she could do was put on a normal face for them. She began to scream at her mother, ”I hate you! I hate you! It’s your fault that I’m sick. You’re the unbalanced one, not me!” After her mom left crying, the same voices that told her to yell at her mother told her that she wanted to murder her parents(Schiller,pg 209). A few months later Nancy and Marvin(parents)visit once again showing just how willing they are to help her. Lori then explains that she's been refusing her meds in which her mom says “How can you do this to yourself? You’re sabotaging yourself. How can you do this after everything you’ve been through?”(Schiller,1996, pg 240). Lori’s parent’s later agree with Dr.Doller to give her a new yet dangerous medication, it ends up saving her life. Keeping what I learned in mind, my perspective of the characters changed quite a bit as the book progressed. Throughout most of the time Lori is in the hospital she portrays herself in a way that she shouldn’t be in the hospital, she is perfectly fine, and the doctors don't know what they are doing. Toward the end of the book Lori is starting to feel better Dr.Fisher announces that she is leaving the hospital. Lori further explains her dependency for Dr. Fisher and her mind tells her”I would kill myself in honor of her leaving. I wanted to be special to her. If I killed myself just as she was leaving, she would never be able to forget me.”(Schiller, 1996,251). Dr.Fisher later explains that no one could ever forget her.
ReplyDeleteschiller, L., & Bennett, A. (1996). The Quiet Room: A Journey Out of the Torment of Madness. Grand Central Publishing .
I would have to wholeheartedly agree with what you have to say. I can not imagine how hard it must be for the parents of Lori to keep going through all they are enduring. In the book, they both talk about Lori as a child, and Marvin often questions if he parented correctly or if he is partly to blame. It is a long, dull life to spend every night visiting your ill child in the hospital, frequently walking on eggshells wondering if she will stay put together or if she will snap. Even more, imagine hearing those words from your child, that she hates you and it is in fact your fault you are sick. I would imagine Nancy tried to convince herself it was just because Lori was sick, but, I am sure it still left a deep wound. Lori talks about how she is so grateful her parents stuck with her through these awful hardships, or else she would not be who she is today. She also credits Dr. Doller and Dr. Fischer, as they helped her recover and move back into the real world. She is very lucky to have the support system she had, as some patients are not as fortunate and have families give up on them way too soon.
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DeleteI totally agree with you @morgan. For Lori´s parents this time in their lives must´ve been torture. Knowing that your child in terribly sick and not knowing how to fix them, as well as, having to have them locked away in a hospital would be hard for any parent. I give her parents a lot of credit for sticking by her side even when they couldn´t recognise their own daughter at times and having to live with the fact that the old Lori would never come back because of her mental illness.
DeleteI would have to agree with you. If it weren't for her mother, father and all of her doctors she wouldn't be here. I think it is extremely important to have a solid support system. I could not have imagined how hard it was for her family, especially her parents, to watch Lori go from this outgoing girl to horribly sick.
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ReplyDeleteThe Quiet Room displayed a true point of view on mental health that is terrifying, tear-jerking, and exhilarating all at once. While All My Sons does a fantastic job of expressing grief, trauma, and maybe even some psychosis, I feel as if I was touched more by The Quiet Room. Arthur Miller portrays Kate as a character with trauma, grief, insomnia, and distress. I also think Kate is a little desperate to believe her son is alive when she starts to follow all the zodiac charts. She expresses her disbelief of his death several times: “He’s not dead, so there’s no argument!” (Miller, 2000, p. 32). Though these are relatable feelings that some people feel during the never-ending process of grieving, at the end of the day, it is quite obvious to the reader that it is fiction, a play of tragedy and drama. Lori’s lifetime of struggles, though, is one hundred percent genuine.
While finishing The Quiet Room, I felt connected to the book and Lori. I found myself tearing up at the fact she was getting better and overcoming the voices that haunted her troubled mind for so long. She met two amazing doctors, Dr. Doller and Dr. Fischer, who make a drastic impact on Lori’s life. She grows a connection she did not think was possible with these two wonderful women as they strive to help her get better. We as readers find out that she is beginning to take an experimental drug, Clozapine, which seems to be quite dangerous. The pharmaceutical company does not know too much about it, hence it being an experimental drug, but does know it has lead to deaths in as many as 1 in 100 patients from the trials being run in Europe. Lori, feeling hopeless after being in the hospital on and off for years with no substantial improvement, decides there is no other option than to take this drug and hope for the best. Even Lori’s father says “You’ve got no choice but to try this drug. If it kills her-- well, maybe she’s better off dead.” (Bennett & Schiller, 2011, p. 244). When this drug finally begins to work, and work well, it is like a turning point for both Lori and readers, let alone her doctors and family. After going through almost the whole book hearing of Lori’s suicide attempts, no will to live, and mere psychosis, the drastic change that occurs when the Clozapine treats Lori is surreal, and a huge sign of joy and relief. “It was happening. I was being set free. I had prayed to find some peace, and my prayers were finally being answered.” (Bennett & Schiller, 2011, p. 247).
Eventually, Lori gets out of the hospital and moves into a community home. She stays in the home for a few years, but never gives up progressing towards the life she wants to live. She goes to the hospital nearly every day, whether it be for therapy, to work on her life after the community home, or to take steps toward her mental health. She accomplishes goals she never thought she would have even thought of before Clozapine, such as going out with friends, getting jobs and maintaining them, and eventually, moving in on her own. “Today when I walk through the doors of New York Hospital, I do so not as a patient but as a teacher.” (Bennett & Schiller, 2011, p. 257) Even more exciting, Lori and her mother, Nancy Schiller, starts touring the country giving motivational speeches on the power of Clozapine for Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, the manufacturers, followed by Lori going on her own to spread the awareness of schizophrenia and share her stories.
Lori ends up moving to Florida and gets a job as a peer counselor at South County Mental Health Center. She explains how she feels she has an immense impact on her patients because she can relate to them and they to her. She ends up struggling with cocaine again but works to stay in narcotics meetings and get better to regain/keep the job that she loves. At 42 years old, Lori Schiller gets married to the only man who has accepted her and loved her for who she was, voices and all.
I love your vocabulary and how you explained that because Loris's story is real it means more. Do you think that having to stay in a home for the mentally ill affected her depression/ If so for the better or the worse?
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ReplyDeleteMr. and Mrs. Steven Baach, (who got set up by Lori’s mother Nancy), create the life Lori dreamed of living while sitting in New York hospital beds. Of course, Lori still has her relapses, as mental illness is not something that ever truly goes away; but through the medication, therapy, and support, she learns to manage these voices, so they are more of an occasional thing rather than every day.
I think that the experimental drug Clozapine becoming trialed in America when Lori was in the hospital shows perfectly how society was beginning to change its views toward mental illness over the years. As Nancy discovers while pondering her youth, Lori’s grandmother had schizophrenia that went undiagnosed, as it was something not well known then, maybe even swept under the rug. As a matter of fact, even Lori’s mental illness case was originally swept under the rug by her parents in fear of her never being seen the same by people. We are lucky to live in the 21st century where there has been such a drastic increase in mental health awareness, drugs, and treatment. Funnily enough, one thing that has not changed is the fact that Clozapine is still only typically used as a “last resort” for schizophrenic patients. Though back in the 80s and 90s (the years in which Lori struggled) there are drugs and treatment, it is more of the treatment you see in the movies: the insane asylum. It is not until Lori meets Dr. Doller and Dr. Fischer that she feels she is being treated properly and that her doctors care about her. There is much that has improved even since the 90s, and the mental health movement continues to grow.
I feel as if I was so touched by the story of Lori Schiller, and I think it helped me learn a few things about myself and my feelings. I learned that I have a huge passion for learning about mental health, the brain, and advocating for awareness and treatment. I learned how truly severe a mental illness can be, and how it can completely control the life of someone who is suffering. But, better than all the rest of the things I learned is that Lori proved that no matter how hopeless you may feel, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel. Lori Schiller is such an inspiring woman to all who suffer from mental illness, whether it be schizophrenia or not. I think everyone can learn something from this wonderful read on how Lori persisted through everything and learned to live with a mental illness that once consumed her life.
Bennett, A., & Schiller, L. (2011). The Quiet Room: A Journey Out of the Torment of Madness. Grand Central Publishing.
Miller, A. (2000). All My Sons. Penguin Books.
Personally, I believe that the literary piece The Quiet Room did a better job than the play All My Sons at proving that people with mental illness can teach us something new about our American society. The Quiet Room is about a woman named Lori Schiller who has schizophrenia. Clearly presented in the book, Schiller is unable to be a functioning member of society with the illnesses she contains. When first discovering Lori’s illness at the start of The Quiet Room, Lori’s father Marvin would rather hide the fact that his daughter has these illnesses rather than getting her help. “Attempting suicide was a serious act, they said, and they wanted her to stay for a few days in the psychiatric ward for observation. That was absolutely out of the question. I didn’t want anything on Lori’s record that could come back and haunt her in her later life.” Martin had said in the early chapters (Schiller, Bennett, 2011, p. 41). Situations like this that occur in The Quiet Room can help citizens recognize early signs of illnesses that may be more serious than they appear. When Lori meets her new therapist Dr Fischer, the extremities of Lori’s symptoms begin to shine through. “I had to kill Dr. Fischer. I had to do it quickly, before she killed me, they said. If I didn’t kill her quickly, they would.” Schiller said, referring to the voices (Schiller, Bennett, 2011, p. 197). Often, the schizophrenic voices would take over Schiller’s mind to the point where she couldn’t hear or think anything else. Parts of the book like these can help build the understanding of what someone with the same illness may be experiencing and the level of help they may need.
ReplyDeleteAs the book moves along, Lori definitely grows as a person and grows on the reader. As the reader, one gets to witness all of the hardships Lori had to experience just to end up with a normal appearing life at the end of the story. However, the ending of the story is beautiful. Due to all of Lori’s hard work in her mental hospital days, she is able to get married, work where she once struggled the most, and regain the years of her life that she had missed in the quiet room.
I feel as if the positive ending of The Quiet Room has a bigger impact compared to the negative ending in All My Sons. While consistent denial and guilt can be correlated with a mental disorder, it is hard to interpret who obtains a mental illness as the play goes on. With all of the blame that occurs in All My Sons, the reader is left to wonder and sort of choose who is at fault for all of the tragedy that occurs. To be more effective, I think that proof and stated mental illnesses would have helped the play enormously in this case. While the mental illness schizophrenia is clearly presented in The Quiet Room, All My Sons kind of feels like a guessing game. From Lori Schiller, America can learn the extreme struggles of living with a mental illness. Yet, the readers can also learn that these illnesses can be overcome, no matter how hard or long the journey may be.
Schiller, L., & Bennett, A. (2011). The Quiet Room. Grand Central Publishing.
I think that people like Laurie's father make it more difficult for us to learn about people with mental illness. It is so important for people to discover new information on mental illness and what we can do to help treat it. Laurie's father seems like push her problems away and stigmatize her feelings which makes her feel like she needs to keep it all in and that is very dangerous for someone with schizophrenia. Instead of ignoring the problem, Laurie's father should be trying to learn about her disorder rather than pretending it isn't real. Encouraging people to talk about it is one way that society could learn more about people with mental illness.
DeleteIn my opinion I think that if Loris father did not try to hide or avoid the problem that she may have gotten better sooner. Maybe if her family had been more accepting she may have too. But since that was not the case we know that it took a long time for acceptance and help.
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My book The Quiet Room did a better job at portraying the struggles of mental illness than All My Sons did. The Quiet Room contained way more information about the person’s mental illness when All My Sons was not specifically explaining the characters’ mental health. All My Sons to me was more about the grief part of mental illness and my book really went into depth about the stuggles that comes with certain illnesses. I feel as though I learned many things from The Quiet Room. I learned that not everyone accepts their illness. “Everything about the hospital infuriated me. I didn’t know why I was there.” (Bennett & Schiller, 2011, P.89) I discovered that not only does the person with the illness suffer, so does the family. “It was a new experience for us. We had never had to deal with social workers before. Why should we have? They didn’t have anything to do with families like ours. But with Lori’s illness came a change in our family status. Now we too were a family in trouble, and in need of their help.” (Bennett & Schiller, 2011, P.78) This book made me understand more about what the character was going through by giving a real insight into her experiences. Personally I think that my book helped me take in what it really means to have a mental illness.
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DeleteI full agree with the idea that not everyone accepts their mental illness. In Lori’s case, the inability to accept her mental illness comes from the voices that are telling her not to accept herself. Toward the ending of the book you can see the “Voices” die down once she gets put on clozapine and starts to accept her illness for what it is. I also like the point that the family also suffers from Lori’s schizophrenia. Not only did it ruin their “perfect family”, but it also cause some of the family members to develop emotional/ mental issues. In the beginning Mark(brother)was embarrassed to bring his girlfriend around Lori, and Steven was worried he would develop schizophrenia like his sister did. I could not imagine being in the position of her parents and seeing that as year go on and they continue to visit her, nothing is working.
DeleteI wouldn´t say that it helped me take in what it means to have a mental illness because that is a very broad spectrum. There are many different types of mental illness and this book mainly focuses on one. I would say The Quiet Room helped me take in what it is like to have schizophrenia.
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ReplyDeleteDuring my journey through The Marsh King’s Daughter by K. Dionne, I felt uneasy every time one of the characters came into the scene. This character is the Marsh King, his “real name” is Jacob. Jacob’s background is very cloudy, and he likes to lie about his stories from when he was younger. He lived in a heavily secluded area and lived like the native Americans used to live back in the day. Getting lonely and desperate to have some company by his side, Jacob created a fake family by kidnapping a little girl and later, having a child with her. The mother was ten years old when she got kidnapped. This means that she had a life, friends, family, and an understanding of what the real world was like. As for the child, she was born into a fake family that forbade any social interactions with the real world. The book is told through the eyes of the little child, named Helena, as she grows up in the marsh. Jacob showed numerous signs of having mental health issues throughout the span of this book. He abused both Helena and her mother, and he never showed resentment for it. I am always right; I am never in the wrong. This is what was constantly going through Jacob’s mind; he was a narcissist. Jacob treated his wife poorly; his views were really outdated, as far as how females should be treated. It is very clear, when you read this book, that she is forced to cook and clean around the house, and listen to everything her husband says. She is not able to do any hard work outdoors because she is thought of as weak. Helena, although also a female, was treated by her father as if she were a male. Her views of her father after watching him beat his wife never lessened. She thought that her mother deserved it because she did something that did not meet her father’s standards. One of these incidents was when a snowmobiler showed up one night while Jacob was off hunting. The snowmobiler was let inside the cabin, and Helena and her mother talked to him. While they were talking, Jacob flung the cabin door open and beat the snowmobiler till he could barely stand up. He then told Helena to go up to her room and started to beat his wife. Helena thought to herself while eating breakfast the next morning, “I didn’t like when my father beat my mother, but there were times like now when she deserved it.” (K. Dionne, 2017, p. 239). Jacob got so into Helena’s head and manipulated her to be just like him to the point where she felt in charge and was threatening her mother. “As if she could stop me. I waved my knife toward her chair. ‘Sit.’” (K. Dionne, 2017, p. 211). This book definitely portrayed mental health issues better than the play All My Sons, by Arthur Miller, because the story is shown through the eyes of someone who is the daughter of a man who is struggling with mental illness. Whereas All My Sons was not through a person’s point of view, and the mental illness was hidden away.
ReplyDeleteDionne, K.(2017).The Marsh King’s Daughter. G.P. Putman's Sons
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DeleteI think you did a really good job of showing what mental illnesses Jacob had but i think you could have used support from your book to show HOW it affected Helena more as she got older and was "rescued". DO you think that The mom was all mentally ill? If so do you think that her mental illness also affected Helena?
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ReplyDeleteI think that my book The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah, and the play All My Sons by Arthur Miller both do a good job of showing mental illness and how it affects everyone around these people affected by mental illness. However, that being said the book The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah does a much better job of showing the effects than the play. This is because the play is not set as modern as the book, this causes the play to not resonate as much with younger generations. One way that The Great Alone shows mental illness better is having the Main Character Leni explicitly talk about how her Father Ernt. has a mental illness. Ernt had been drafted into the Vietnam war and been captured and taken as a Prisoner Of War, he even goes on to talk about his best friend from the war Bo Harlan “They made me watch him die”. (Hannah, 2018, p.9) She talks about his illness in the entire book but in chapter one Ernt himself states that in Alaska “We can go back to the way things were before ‘Nam screwed me up”(Hannah, 2018, p.10). This admission is the first time we the reader are explicitly told that Ernt does have a mental illness. At first we do not really see the effects of his mental illness because Ernt is so happy and excited about the move. After the death of a community member who happens to be the mother of Mathew, ex-wife to Tom, and a close friend of Cora, On page 123 Tom seeks comfort from Cora this is what causes the first actual time we see Ernt hit Cora. After Ernt hits Cora he goes off the rails and it is finally shown just how large of a hold Ernts mental illness has over the family and his life. The first statement that shows how large this is a quote from Cora showing her mental place , first blaming herself “He was agitated all day i shouldn’t have talked to Tom”, and saying things such as, “no one will ever love me like he does” (Hannah, 2018, p.125). As the book progresses we as the reader continue to see Ernt hit Cora and Leni try to convince Cora to leave. Cora is never strong enough to go through with it or ask for help. One time when Cora tries to Leave with Leni she fails and makes Mathew take Leni away to someplace safe so Leni is not hurt. This was when Leni and Mathew fell off a cliff causing Mathew to get severe brain damage and be placed into a vegatative state. The hold that Ernt and his mental illness has over the family is finally broken when in 1978 four years after moving to Alaska and meeting Mathew, Leni reveals she is pregnant with his child. Ernt is so filled with hatred for Mathew's family that he goes blind with rage and starts to hit Leni for the first time even going as far as to undo his belt and hit her with it. This finally made Cora take a stand to Ernt 0n page 326 and shot him twice in the back, killing him. After Ernt is killed Cora and Leni go through the process of hiding his body. They also go to Large Marge to get legal advice on how to not get caught. Large marge gets them plane tickets back to Seattle and the two go to live with Cora’s parents. The book is then shown through the lens of Leni’s letters to Mathew who is presumed to still be in a vagetative state. These letters show Leni and her struggle with depression over losing Mathew and the life she loved. Along with her struggle with starting a new life and letting the family she once knew become just another missing family in Alaska.
The book catches back up to Leni when her son Mathew Junior is a toddler and Cora is dying of lung cancer. This cancer finally allows Cora to admit to all the guilt she has held and how it has affected her mental health over the years. She even goes as far as to state that it was an act of karma because “ There was a poison in him...and I drank it up”. (Hannah, 2018, pg.384) The book ends with Leni in a much better place after moving back to Alaska and being reunited with an alive and mostly non-disabled Mathew and agreeing to move in with him and live a better life.
Miller, A. (2000). All My Sons. Penguin Books.
Hannah, K. (2018). The Great Alone. St. Martins Publishing .
ReplyDeleteWhile reading my book The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah, I learned something important about myself and my life. I learned that even though my whole life I have been told my homelife is unorthodox and odd; or told by peers that my parents were too strict or of toxic mentalities, this book showed me that my life may be odd but I have it really good.
From a societal viewpoint, my father has been to war but is fortunate enough to not have any mental illnesses. My mother is allowed to be independant and was seen as a strong woman for being a single mom instead of being seen as irresponsible and less than desirable. Even the fact that my mom could go to a bank right now and get a new credit card without any man's help. In the book The mom Cora is not so lucky as shown on page 16, when she could not open a credit card account without a signature from her husband or estranged father.
From a basic amenities view I am lucky because unlike the family from the book I have running water, as well as water that can be used without having to be boiled. I have indoor plumbing with a toilet inside of my house. In the book the family has an outhouse. Even a door on my bedroom whereas Leni the main character didn’t even have a curtain to separate her loft from the rest of the house.
Finally from the way that my family is so loving. My family and I are always there for each other, my dad is always willing to help me when I need it. Also my parents have never hit me in a way other than a spank when i was young, Or each other in any way at all. In the book Leni’s dad is extremely abusive and in the end turns on Leni causing his death.
Overall I realised reading this book to be grateful because I have a family that is socially secure, has basic amenities that not all people have, and is extremely supportive and loving no matter what.
Hannah, K. (2018). The Great Alone. St. Martins Publishing .
Although I did not choose your book to read, it seems extremely saddening. In my opinion, it is so upsetting to read and see how hard people's lives around the world really are, or even how hard they were in the past. But, seeing these things can really make a person more appreciative and it is extremely eye opening. I agree with you in the sense that we are lucky to live the lives that we do. But, since i did not read the book, I do notice that some parts are missing. What mental illness did the father have? What mental illness does Ernt have? You included a lot about their living situation, but what did you learn about mental illness? Also, this question isn't really relevant but I am curious if this is a true story or not. Seems like a great book.
DeleteAfter reading my book The Quiet Room I learned many new things and my perspective on Lori changed. One thing I learned that actually surprised me quite a bit was that Lori's parents were almost ready to give up on her. Although I am not a parent, I could not see myself giving up on my child or being okay with the fact that they are dead. Her mother Nancy stated ¨If this drug didn't work, then maybe she really was better off dead¨. (Schiller, 2011, pg.244) Throughout the book I always thought Lori was a fighter but maybe I only thought that because I knew she was the author, so she must be successful. She did want to give up many times by trying to commit suicide, luckily non of her attempts were successful so she can share her inspiring story with others who many also be struggling with something minor or sever, and give them hope. Towards the end of the book when she decides to actually start listening to the doctors and do what they were telling her is when I for sure knew she was trying hard to be better, she wanted her life back.
ReplyDeleteUnlike a lot of other answers to this blog, you were one of the few to actually call into question Lori's supposed strength. While it's important to acknowledge that eventually Lori was able to live at least semi-normally and that she accomplished something great, you can't really forget about all of the times she almost lost it all and killed herself. I see a lot of people here mentioning that even though the parents had seemingly given up on Lori up until that last medication, they still seem to like them as a character. I'm just wondering if maybe the parents grew as characters too? Personally, I really like your take on the book as it brings another viewpoint into mind: What if Lori wasn't the narrator? What if this was a different story about how Lori hadn't overcome this problem? It's an unpleasant thought, but you've got to think about how she had tried to killed herself multiple times throughout.
DeleteKen Kesey’s book, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, does an excellent job of providing a new perspective on mental health and how those that are diagnosed with illnesses are treated in America. This difference in perspective is more helpful to highlighting the differences in American society due to mental illnesses when compared to Arthur Miller’s 1946 play titled: All My Sons. All My Sons tackles issues such as PTSD, depression, and anxiety. Mental illness is a common but subtle theme throughout the play, climaxing at the end when it’s heavily implied that Joe Keller kills himself, “A shot is heard in the house. They stand frozen for a brief second. Chris starts for porch, pauses at step, turns to Ann.” (Miller, 1947, Page 84) While this story may portray what mental illnesses are like on a small scale really well -- such as in a small suburb -- it doesn’t quite encapsulate the whole system and tackle what the treatment of mental illnesses reflects on American society. This is where One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest shines, as it takes place in a mental hospital in the 1960s and is told by a patient who was admitted to the ward a long time ago in the story. Throughout the story, the narrator, Chief Bromden, describes the ward as a terrible place, and uses analogies to describe the horribleness of it all, such as everyone being controlled by wires and a certain ‘loss of reality’ being connected to a fog that he hallucinates. None of these actually happen, but it’s all used by Bromden to describe how he really feels, as he states at the beginning of the book: “You think this is too horrible to have really happened, this is too awful to be the truth! But, please. It’s still hard for me to have a clear mind thinking on it. But it’s the truth even if it didn’t happen.” (Kesey, 1962, Page 8) The reason this is a better representation of what mental illnesses may teach us about our American Society is how they are treated. Throughout the story, the reader can understand and see that the characters, even though they might behave differently, are still normal and are their own individuals. The problem with this though is the way they are treated is inhumane and really terrible. This reflects on our society as a whole showing that this mistreatment goes on even when those with mental illnesses are just as human as the rest of us.
ReplyDeleteMiller,A. (1947).All My Sons. Penguin Group.
Kesey,K. (1962).One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Penguin Group.
The quick summary of the book is really important to me as someone who didn't read "The Quiet Room" and I like that you have so many quotations and examples from the text. Going in depth with the drugs that Lori ends up taking at the end of the book is helpful too as it relates this story to real life even more and proves that stuff like this actually goes on. At the end you acknowledge the amount of character development for not only Lori, but also her parents and her doctor. I really like that you call attention to the doctor so much for really believing in Lori through all of this.
ReplyDeleteКонсоли от корпорации Microsoft не сразу захватили всемирную популярность и доверие игроков. Первая консоль под названием Xbox, вышедшая в далеком 2001 году, существенно уступала PlayStation 2 по количеству проданных приставок. Но все изменилось с выходом Xbox 360 - консоли седьмого поколения, которая стала по-настоящему "народной" для жителей России и стран СНГ - Xbox 360 прошивка LT 2.0. Сайт Ru-Xbox.Ru является популярным ресурсом в числе поклонников приставки, так как он предлагает игры для Xbox 360, которые поддерживают все имеющиеся версии прошивок - совершенно бесплатно! Зачем играть на оригинальном железе, если имеется эмуляторы? Для Xbox 360 игры выходили длительное время и представлены как посредственными проектами, так и хитами, многие из которых даже сейчас остаются уникальными для это консоли. Некие гости, желающие сыграть в игры для Xbox 360, смогут задать вопрос: для чего необходимы игры для прошитых Xbox 360 freeboot или различными версиями LT, в случае если имеется эмулятор? Рабочий эмулятор Xbox 360 хоть и существует, однако он требует производительного ПК, для покупки которого потребуется вложить существенную сумму. К тому же, различные артефакты в виде исчезающих текстур, недостатка некоторых графических эффектов и освещения - могут изрядно попортить впечатления об игре и отбить желание для ее дальнейшего прохождения. Что предлагает этот интернет-сайт? Наш сайт полностью приурочен к играм для приставки Xbox 360. У нас можно совсем бесплатно и без регистрации скачать игры на Xbox 360 через torrent для следующих версий прошивок консоли: - FreeBoot; - LT 3.0; - LT 2.0; - LT 1.9. Каждая прошивка имеет свои особенности обхода встроенной защиты. Поэтому, для запуска той либо другой игры будет нужно скачать специальную ее версию, которая стопроцентно адаптирована под одну из 4 перечисленных выше прошивок. На нашем интернет-сайте вы можете без труда найти желаемый проект под подходящую прошивку, поскольку возле каждой игры присутствует заглавие версии (FreeBoot, LT 3.0/2.0/1.9), под которую она приспособлена. Гостям данного ресурса доступна особая категория игр для 360-го, созданных для Kinect - специального дополнения, которое считывает все движения 1-го или нескольких игроков, и позволяет управлять с помощью их компьютерными персонажами. Большой выбор ПО Кроме способности загрузить игры на Xbox 360 Freeboot либо LT разных версий, здесь можно получить программное обеспечение для консоли от Майкрософт: - различные версии Dashboard, которые позволяют кастомизировать интерфейс консоли под свои нужды, сделав его более удобным и современным; - браузеры; - просмотрщики файлов; - сохранения для игр; - темы для консоли; - программы, для конвертации образов и записи их на диск. Кроме перечисленного выше игры на Xbox 360 Freeboot можно запускать не с дисковых, а с USB и многих других носителей, используя программу x360key, которую вы можете достать на нашем портале. Гостям доступно огромное количество нужных статей, а также форум, где вы можете пообщаться с единомышленниками или попросить совета у более опытных владельцев консоли.
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